.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Raging Tiger- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 3: The Awakening

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old September 24th, 2007, 07:43 PM

Maraxus Maraxus is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 181
Thanks: 2
Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts
Maraxus is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Assassination n00b.

Assasins:

You can recruit a simple assasin for (I think) 60 gold.
-> The assasin will kill around untill the first target is lucky.

Then you can equip an assasin with the skull earring, or have empoisoners.
-> The assasin will kill around untill some smart commander has some bodyguards.

Then, you can equip your assasin with the really expencive stuff.
-> The assasin will kill his targets, untill he runs into a province with good (~30) provincial defence and some patrolers.


Most of the time assasins simply don't pay off.

But there are situations...
Imagine the opponent attacking your border with lot's of commanders/troops.
Your assasin is in the province and kills one commander, who controlls half of the army. He is now warned and your assasin will have a hart time to kill another one but at this point, the other half of the army allready ran into your forces. Same with troops that have Mage support and then either the troops or the support fails to show up in the fight.

PS: And don't forget that the countermeasures agains a good assasin cost quite some gold/gems. If you manage to sneak up to an opponent research fortress, attack once or twice and then leave. He will likely raise provincial defence into the sky and summon some mean bodyguards, what means less defence/troops at your frontline.


Oh, iirc ... I think blood slaves made some really cheep chaff in Assasinations.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old September 25th, 2007, 01:18 AM
Burnsaber's Avatar

Burnsaber Burnsaber is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,617
Thanks: 179
Thanked 304 Times in 123 Posts
Burnsaber is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Assassination n00b.

One thing about assasins is also that they limit your opponent's chances at scripting his mages. Especially if you have "uber"-assasins who don't care about bodyguards. Suddenly scripting "Summon Earthpower, Army of Lead" is a dead sentence.

You can't believe how sad it is to see a Illusionist cast "Mass Flight" against an Earth Elemental. Or having Sauromancers cast "Leeching Darkness" against high hp assasins and killing their own bodyguards..
__________________
I have now officially moved to the Dom3mods forums and do not actively use this account any more. You can stll contact me by PM's, since my account gives e-mail notifications on such occasions.

If you need to ask something about modding, you can contact me here.

See this thread for the latest info concerning my mods.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old September 25th, 2007, 01:35 AM

Lazy_Perfectionist Lazy_Perfectionist is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,355
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Lazy_Perfectionist is on a distinguished road
Default Re: A hell of a waste of gems

1). You're welcome.
2). Would you have five well-equipped assassins in the right place at the right time? You may have gotten the wrong idea from me. I'm not a fan of the thug-assassin approach, but instead favor quantity over quality. A spell such as Tupilak fails as often as not, for instance, but is useful (although too pricy). As Ctis, you can manage 10 assassins at 110 gold each, unequipped.

If even a three manage to take out key targets, at the right time, you've got a potential bargain. If killing three 110 gold mages saves 70 infantry, you've made your money back.

I do not favor use of assassins as a form of attrition, however. Kill and attack, is how I use them.

3). The key to avoiding summons is using the enemy's own momentum against him. If he's expecting a minor battle, or researching away, he likely will have summon skeleton scripted. If he expects to face a dozen wights, he'll probably have wither bones or Dust to Dust scripted instead, leaving it to auto spellcasting when there are no valid targets. As well, spell AI sometimes overrides gem use when it determines an enemy isn't a big enough threat, overruling that 'Living Earth'. If he's expecting a large, pitched battle where he needs to pull out ALL the stops, the very first spell scripted by those random astral marshmasters will likely be astral communions.

Asssasins require bait, traps, and timing. Any uber-equipped assassin can be wasted by simply spamming indie commanders, though there are times that better equiped assasins are handy. (as an aside, that build I mentioned early works quite nicely). If you wait until a situation comes along where the enemy has to script for maximum potential, you avoid counters or at least make them waste gems.

It's worth noting that magical beings require magical leadership. If you can figure out a way to kill that commander before you're killed, all those summons die as well. In that situation, melee is not the way to go.
On the plus side, if the timings right, and they just wasted so many gems on a single asssasin instead of your army, that may be agod trade as well, if you can take advantage of that before they restock from a scout or what not.

4). Killing an enemy commander does not have to be the equivalent of a death sentence. Sure, if you have one thug picking away each turn at the capital, someones going to come after him. But if you present the enemy with a dilemma... If you have raiding parties going on, anything patrolling is not hunting down your raiders. If you have an army threatening them, anything patrolling the countryside is outside of the fortress, exposed to attack, rather than bolstering the defenses of a long siege.

As a side note, it really only takes about 80 militia to guarantee the death of an assassin. Less with PD. If you have an army nearby, or remote summon spells, then that militia (no Abysian PD, please, ouch) either has to expose itself, unsupported, to attack and slaughter by a small detachment or they have to take mages off of research/summoning/rituals in order to give their patrollers proper support. A win-win situation.

Worth noting is that unrest decreases the effectiveness of patrols. A Black Servant with a bane venom charm can serve for about a turn before patrols catch up (move out soon), increasing unrest. Battles such as scouts and assassins also increase unrest. Neither fast enough alone to enable survival, but combined with hit&run, spell support such as Baleful Star or Blight, it can make retaliation impossible.

One way to preserve thugged assassins is to let the enemy invade and take your lands BEFORE you retaliate. If the enemy's just encroached on your land, overtax provinces around three deep to 200%. Not only will this raise funds for the war, but the unrest generated by this and the invading army will make it much harder to detect your assassins.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.