The lovable EEE

Saxon · #1 February 26th, 2002, 10:25 AM

The EEE. Those lovable aliens who make deals with everyone. Including your enemies.

Basically, what can I do to get them to break a treaty with some one else or, better yet, declare war on them? If they break the Partnership, it may push my enemy into a resource shortage, which would take some of the wind out of his sails. I want to maintain my relationship with the EEE as I am enjoying the reources trade with them brings, as well as enjoying not having to worry about the Northern Front.

For three turns in a row they have said they will break their ties, but they lie. The treaty grid shows a continuing partnership. My race is weak in spy activities, so that option is not really available.

Hints, ideas and rude comments from Tigga are welcomed.

dumbluck · #2 February 26th, 2002, 11:57 AM

You might try to use WP closers to isolate the EEE from your enemy. No path from eee to your enemy = lost contact = no treaties. However, this is likely to be prohibatively expensive, and depending on the map characteristics, quite difficult. Intel would probably be cheaper, both in terms of resources and research points.

Other than that.... Well, lets just say that you are up a minor tributary without means of propulsion.

tesco samoa · #3 February 26th, 2002, 06:54 PM

I think the Eee ignore the Mega Evil trait. Because they can make more off you in trades. Smart race the Eee.

Gryphin · #4 February 26th, 2002, 07:06 PM

tesco, I'll have to check a saved game, but I believe The EEE have declared war on me when I hit MEE. They did so diplomacticaly. They even removed the huge fleet they had over a key planet, waited for the next turn and at least canceled the Partnership.
I was pointing out that if you take out the number one or number two player, you could change the rellative positons so much that you would end up with MEE status. If you arn't expecting it, You will have "Bogies on your six and no wingman".

[ 26 February 2002: Message edited by: Gryphin ]

Baron Munchausen · #5 February 26th, 2002, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by tesco samoa:
I think the Eee ignore the Mega Evil trait. Because they can make more off you in trades. Smart race the Eee.

No AI ignores the Meg Evil trait, but I've noticed some interesting variability in when it seems to be triggered. Larger empires seem to be more slow to react. I think it's now got some relation to relative size factored in as well as the threshold of 'absolute' size that triggers it. Since the Eee are usually one of the larger races, as others have noted, they would tend to be one of the later races to react to MegaEvil.

tesco samoa · #6 February 27th, 2002, 02:02 AM

I was being sarcastic ( sp pehaps ) sorry about that.

In the pbem games I play we always include the Eee because they just like everyone. So we all trade with the race and they just build huge fleets.

The Eee are a peaceful fun loving race who expand very fast. They are usually the top ranked computer player because everyone trades with the Eee. And everyone gets pissed at the person who attacks them. So the Eee Last a long time. And who wants to kill an ancient race that is poped up by everyone and you know if you attack them then you attack all the human players. ???

Gryphin · #7 February 27th, 2002, 02:43 AM

Another possible option:
1) Go into defensive posture or make peace wiht other enemys, (Economy of Force).
2) Acertain what kinds of Ships / Weapons would be best to use against the EEE.
3) Build a suitable invasion force with the intent to capture planets. (You will need the resources later)
4) Trade with the EEE for what ever Mineral / Organic / Radioactive you will need a surplus of to build the fleet. Always offer about 5% more of what you do not need.
5) Assemble the fleet and move very quickly. (3 or more fleets with at least two transports each)
6) Note your score and EEE's score before you declare war.
Reason for these precaustions:
The EEE are frequently the 1st or 2nd most poswerful AI, Taking them out could propell you into Mega Evil Empire status befor you are ready.

I personaly would never do this, (twice), but it dose work.

disabled · #8 February 27th, 2002, 04:32 AM

I ruthlessly exterminate the Eee every time I find them or drive them into an isolated corner and control them.

For some reason, thier peaceful ways make me look bad. So I kill some of them.

Saxon · #9 February 27th, 2002, 12:41 PM

Ok, those answers help, especially in focusing my thinking. However, I still have some questions.

What will trigger the EEE AI into breaking treaties with someone else? Their overly friendly nature makes them the least likely to do so, but what can I do to encourage them? War is not an option. As pointed out, they are relatively large and the value of trading with them is substantial, which makes stopping the “bad” trade all that more important.

WP closers are well in the future for tech, so it makes the intel option the most promising. Let us see what we can do…

I guess I should have called this thread “Manipulating the Enemy AI to Upset your Human Opponents.” Any hints on how to manipulate the AI peacefully are welcome.

Mephisto · #10 February 27th, 2002, 01:21 PM

Try "communication mimics" on them. This intel operation is quite devastating.