OT (or is it?): American Imperialism

[TerranC]

StrategiaInUltima said:
A large part of the major expenses we (Europeans) make are either for Japanese or American products, but I don't see Japan invading islamic nations or forcing their way of life onto us.

That's because they already tried and failed.

[geoschmo]

StrategiaInUltima said:
But there are STILL nukes stationed here. Why? The only feasible threats at this moment are Iran and North Korea, and the US have plenty of allies closer to thos countries... why the f*cking hell don't you just GET YOUR F*CKING MISSILESD OUT OF OUR F*CKING COUNTRIES?!?!? WE DON'T WNAT YOUR NUKES!!!!!

(Note: Nothing personal.)

Why don't you ask your own elected leaders? I can guarantee you that any nukes would be pulled out of any European country that told the US flatly to remove them. The last thing we want is nuclear weapons sitting in a country that is potetially turning hostile towards us. There is a sizable percentage of Americans, I consider myself one, that thinks the need for large numbers of US military personell stationed in Europe is past. But whenever the idea of bringing those garrisons home is brought up, some of the loudest voices objecting are the governments hosting them and the busineses in those countries that sell things to those soldiers. You want our soldiers there spending their money in your resturants and stores, just don't be bringing your "culture" in here. Leave that on the base thank you very much.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

I don't think Japan has ever invaded an Islamic country.

Ask our elected leaders? Pah! When the parliament here debated about whether or not to send soldiers to Iraq, over 80% of the population was against it... and they were sent. Some time back, less than 20% of the population supported our Prime Minister.

[NullAshton]

Bush's tern will be over in a little less that 4 years. Everyone in the world will celebrate then.

[TerranC]

StrategiaInUltima said:
I don't think Japan has ever invaded an Islamic country.

Wait 5 years or until OPEC decides to stop selling the world Oil.

[Alneyan]

StrategiaInUltima said:
I don't think Japan has ever invaded an Islamic country.

WW2 perhaps? Indonesia is mostly an Islamic country (among others), but I do not know if Japan conquered Indonesia during WW2 (modern history has never been my cup of tea).

And Japan has been trying to "impose their culture": mangas and animes are much more popular here than comics, and Asian restaurants are simply more common than places selling American beer. I would not call this imposing culture, however; at best, governments can try to promote their culture aboard, or make it harder for foreign culture to "invade" the country.

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Japan conquered Indonesia, alright. They conquered whole fricking East Asia from China to the Pacific and from Hokkaido (but that already was Japan) to New Guinea. But that was in a time when Japan was a fascist empire. I was talking about nowadays.

Though I don't know if Indonesia was islamic in WWII. Back then, we still controlled it, and we were christian. I think that most of the population there was christian as well (like in the Phillippines) and that it only became an Islamic country after they had (rightfully, I think) won their independence.

(I know I've been using "islamic" and "Islamic".)

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

http://projectxstudios.com/funny/europe_usa.jpg

slightly related to "cultural imperialism": Europe strikes back!

[TerranC]

Japan conquered Indonesia, alright. They conquered whole fricking East Asia from China to the Pacific and from Hokkaido (but that already was Japan) to New Guinea. But that was in a time when Japan was a fascist empire. I was talking about nowadays.

What makes you think they have changed completely? What makes you so sure that the entire japanese population does not harbour right-wing ideas and nostalgia for their past?

Though I don't know if Indonesia was islamic in WWII. Back then, we still controlled it, and we were christian. I think that most of the population there was christian as well (like in the Phillippines) and that it only became an Islamic country after they had (rightfully, I think) won their independence.

Mr. Dutchman, read what you have typed there once more, very carefully, word per word, and see if it makes sense.

[geoschmo]

Islam spread to Indonesia by way of the Asian continent hundreds of years before Christianity came with the Porteguese and Spanish explorers. I don't know what the percentage of followers for each by population was before WWII though.