Proposition: Zen vs. Norfleet

AhhhFresh · #1 May 17th, 2004, 09:12 PM

I see a lot of the complaints about "game balance", and I notice that the two most promminent voices (that are usually opposed) tend to be Zen and Norfleet.

I'd like to see a Best of 7 series, that pitted Norfleet's "unbalanced" strats against Zen and his wisdom of all thing Dom....

No restrictions, other than that it be a relatively small map that can 1v1 effectively.

I'm obviously not either of the two "contenders" so I can't speak for them... but I hope they consider this, as a new method of debate...

I'd like to see this happen, with an observer who could write up Battle Reports... I'll do it myself, but I'm not such a great writer...

What say you?

Norfleet · #2 May 17th, 2004, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by AhhhFresh:
I see a lot of the complaints about "game balance", and I notice that the two most promminent voices (that are usually opposed) tend to be Zen and Norfleet.

We're opposed? Both of us go "Meh" at the stuff that people are complaining about. That's not very opposed to me.

Arryn · #3 May 17th, 2004, 11:41 PM

I'd like to see Zen v. Norfy if for no other reason than Zen is likely to be one of very few people on this forum that might be able to defeat Norfy's very well-developed Ermor strategy. At a minimum, such a match would be HIGHLY educational to read about. Both players have a deep understanding of many subtle aspects of the game. Each of them has a large ego, neither of which bruise easily, and both are reasonably mature (age having nothing to do with it) so the competition will be pleasant and polite (something that is getting increasingly difficult to come by).

Zen v. Norfleet would be a major public service (and spectacle). All in favor please speak up and be counted!

Gandalf Parker · #4 May 17th, 2004, 11:51 PM

Personally Id word it alittle differently. Id say Norfleet and Zen should play in the usenet group. The crowd that have been in dom since the first days. I dont think 1-on-1 shows the best of Dom. Id like to see a mega game of the usenet crowd from comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic with Norfleet in it.

Norfleet · #5 May 17th, 2004, 11:53 PM

Hey, Arryn's alive. Haven't seen you in ages. Figured you might have died. What happened to your AAR?

I'd certainly be open to the idea of a large game of that sort....but Zen has admitted he would rather gouge out his own eye than play in such a thing. Our preferences for game types are a little too dissimilar for such a thing to be satisfactory to both sides.

Please note: If anyone is making such a mod featuring prominent forumites as units or pretenders, Zen should be given the "lost an eye" and "lost the other eye as well" afflictions, on account of having gouged out his eyes rather than playing such a thing with me.

[ May 17, 2004, 22:55: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Arryn · #6 May 18th, 2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
Hey, Arryn's alive. Haven't seen you in ages. Figured you might have died.

I didn't, my father did. I only got back to my home yesterday.

Graeme Dice · #7 May 18th, 2004, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Arryn:
I didn't, my father did. I only got back to my home yesterday.

You have my condolences then.

#8 May 18th, 2004, 01:38 AM

Coaxing Norfleet into playing a small 1v1 game might be more of a challenge than playing him.

Also, Norfleet's tested and true strategy is not condusive to 1v1 trials.

If I have time I will make my next longstanding (8+ Player) game with Norfleet and anyone else who would like to play with such popularly contended abusive strategies like: Playing with a VQ, building a Clam of Pearls, or Building alot of Castles.

AhhhFresh · #9 May 18th, 2004, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Zen:
Coaxing Norfleet into playing a small 1v1 game might be more of a challenge than playing him.

Also, Norfleet's tested and true strategy is not condusive to 1v1 trials.

If I have time I will make my next longstanding (8+ Player) game with Norfleet and anyone else who would like to play with such popularly contended abusive strategies like: Playing with a VQ, building a Clam of Pearls, or Building alot of Castles.

The reason why I suggested 1v1, was that I feel the "politics" are pretty hot right now... so in an 8 player game, how many would like to see Norfleet and his strat lose? Would that be fair?

But I mainly hope that you two end up in an MP game (of however many players) that gets written up... THAT would be a great service to the Dom II community. You know, into the minds of great strategists and what not...

Norfleet · #10 May 18th, 2004, 02:46 AM

A writeup would have to be done by somebody else. My senility and overload of games tends to preclude me from remembering what the hell happened more than a few turns ago...particularly if the game runs at a slow pace. I certainly won't remember when or what happened, other than hilights, after the game ends.