How in the heck are production Mods calculated?!?

[Talenn]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I cant find the topic, so here goes...

How are the final values for what each planet produces derived? Using any form of math, I can rarely come up with the exact numbers it is displaying for the a Planet's Mineral/Organics/Radioactives etc.

I've tried summing the bonuses, multiplying it out, forwards, backwards etc. I usually arrive at a number close to the displayed figure, but rarely dead on.

Intuitive method:

Base number for a Mining Facility (say 800)xMineral Modifier for the Planet
xCultural Modifier
xRacial Trait Modifier
xPop Bonus
xHappiness Bonus
=NOT THE NUMBER DISPLAYED...or very rarely.

I cant think of any other modifiers that I could be missing. Could someone please show me how this is all calculated out?

Thanx!
Talenn

[Marty Ward]

I think this is how you do it, at least it worked out correct in 5 out of 5 checks.
Add the base output plus each modifier % times the base output number. Multiply by the number of facilities. Multiply by the planet's % value, ex. 123%= 1.23. It rounds up over a certain value, 5000 I think.
(base+(%mod1 * base)+(%mod2*base)+....) * number of facilities * planet value.
This worked for both production and research.

[This message has been edited by Marty Ward (edited 17 February 2001).]

[raynor]

Here is the formula which I arrived at after analyzing Drake's Turn 150 Game:

((2.5*900) * 2.4) * 1.3 = 7020

Multiple 51 Monolith III's by 7020 = 358020 which the game rounds up to show 359K, 359K, 359K for many of Drake's RingWorlds with 51 Monolith III's plus a Robotoid Factory.

This represents 2.5 for the 250% minerals.
The 2.4 is 100% bonus for population + 20% to each resource from his racial points + 20% happiness bonus. The final 1.3 is the Robotoid Factory.

The big thing that threw me for so long was the 5% Worker cultural trait. The consensus right now is that this is never added in. For the final score, multiple everything by 1.3 to show the effect of the System Robotoid Factory III.

Another example is a medium world with 18 facilities:

((2.5*900) * 1.7) * 1.3 = 4972
17 * 4972 = 84532 which the game shows as 85KT for each resource.

The only difference here is the 30% population bonus instead of 100%. Thus, we have 1.7 instead of 2.4.

Hope this helps. By my calculations applied to a couple other of Drake's planets plus some new games I started, the math seems to hold. Let me know if anyone has other ideas.

[Marty Ward]

Is there a maximum level a trait may be increased to? Maybe that is why the extra 5 bonus is not being applied.

[raynor]

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Originally posted by Marty Ward:
Is there a maximum level a trait may be increased to? Maybe that is why the extra 5 bonus is not being applied.

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That's good thinking. I tried to see the effect of the 5% bonus after starting a new game with no bonuses *but* the 5% Worker cultural trait and still didn't see its effect. That's why I'm inclined to agree with Drake's Posts over on the TG Boards.

By the way, I strongly recommend reading all the Posts on the TwinGalaxies board. They are a very good read. Plus, we want to make sure that TwinGalaxies gets lots of hits on the SEIV section of their site. Nyx is trying to sell his bosses on the idea of another tournament after the current one which is purely human on human. The URL for the SEIV forum there is:
http://www.twingalaxies.com/cgi-bin/...aii^[email protected]

[Drake]

Raynor's right about the formula. Basically you have to add the % increase for happiness, planet population, and race settings first, then multiply in. Planet and system facilities are multiplied separately.

From this it's obvious you have some diminishing returns on the race modifications. If you want to maximize your total, increasing planet value is much more important.

Nice to see you're getting some use from the save file, Raynor. I hope I didn't knock myself out of the top 4 spots posting all this stuff, I'd hate to not recoup the price of the game.

[This message has been edited by Drake (edited 18 February 2001).]

[Talenn]

Cool guys, thanx...I think I got a semi-firm grasp on it.

Talenn