Proportions Mod Versions 2.5.2 and 2.5.3 available

[dogscoff]

Yeah, I agree. Neutrals are nothing more than a bonus to the human player.

In the standard game, yes, but not so much in Proportions. Their homeworlds are as good as anyone else's and I have fought long drawn out campaigns against them, because they have to concentrate their defences in one system unlike regular empires who spread themselves thin across many systems.

True, there's nothing to stop you parking a fleet just on the wrong side of their warp point and dumping drones on them, but neutrals in proportions are by no means easy meat.

[JLS]

Originally posted by dogscoff:

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Yeah, I agree. Neutrals are nothing more than a bonus to the human player.

In the standard game, yes, but not so much in Proportions. Their homeworlds are as good as anyone else's and I have fought long drawn out campaigns against them, because they have to concentrate their defences in one system unlike regular empires who spread themselves thin across many systems.

True, there's nothing to stop you parking a fleet just on the wrong side of their warp point and dumping drones on them, but neutrals in proportions are by no means easy meat.

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Actually all you need is about 6+ Carriers with 40% Fighters, 40% Fighter-Bombers some Anti ship/Base, and 20% Cluster bombers a few Troopships full off infantry. From as much as one sector away from the AI Home World. (assuming your Fighter techs is comparable to there ship/base techs).

Fighters set (Strat Menu) to engage Fighters, Sats and Ships etc. (NOT PLANETS)

Fighter Bombers set default (Optimal Range) or make your own avoiding planets as well.

Cluster Bombers also set (to Optimal range, but there only carrying Cluster bombs only and should have at least one Combat movement (preferred) slower then other fighters.
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1st Wave: Send Fighters and Fighter/Bombers with enough Fighter Bombers (some fighters also if AI CVs are present) to defend the fleet. (Fleet remains on station with relative impunity about a sector away) This wave should take out most to all Bases and Ships the AI has over its home world. How ever you may loose a great deal of your Fighter bombers, unless you avoid engaging planets with them as well. In that wave.

2nd Wave: Launch but do NOT send Cluster bombers with first wave. Time that wave to attack the turn after the first wave. You should have Fighter cover left from the previous turns attack for your cluster bombers. (keep a careful eye on any reinforcement the AI may bring to bare and strike there ships with Fighter-bombers from afar).

Third turn:
With the right amount of cluster bombers getting thru to the Planet (Observe that battle report and/or check the planets Last Unit cargo) you should now be ready to send in your main body with Troop Ships and a few Thousand Infantry (Fleet orders Capture Planet), be sure to have transports from the Home System ferrying troops on a regular bases, it may take in access of 6000-10000 infantry to capture a Home World in fair order.

[ March 04, 2003, 14:56: Message edited by: JLS ]

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
In the standard game, yes, but not so much in Proportions. Their homeworlds are as good as anyone else's and I have fought long drawn out campaigns against them, because they have to concentrate their defences in one system unlike regular empires who spread themselves thin across many systems.

The problem is that you can be at war with them for a long time and they can't attack you outside their system. That's the main issue I see with Neutrals.

On the other hand, is true that their defenses are impresive. I haven't attacked a regular AI Homeworld yet, so i can't compare, but it took me 3 assaults and 3 years of blockade to take the Bobrosa States Homeworld. They had over 60 WP including Medium sized ones. At the end I only conquered them when I retrofited 10 of my Destroyers as PDCs, and 2 as Fast Troop Carriers. Their weakness was in that the mayority of their WP were Missiles.
I will mess the AI design files so they build more WP with Meson BLasters.

[henk brouwer]

Originally posted by Aloofi:

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Originally posted by oleg:
No idea. Actually I never played Proportions with neutrals. Did't see the point, why not just add one more race ?

Yeah, I agree. Neutrals are nothing more than a bonus to the human player. The problem was that I realized that when I was already into the current game......

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Maybe it would be fun to mod the neutrals so they have special techs.. something like the master of orion guardian. problem would be that there can't be a tech-reward for destroying them
Maybe you could let them have a couple of special buildings on their homeworld that you could capture, a ship training facility that trains upto 40% or something.. anyhow just some ideas..

Henk

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by JLS:
2nd Wave: Launch but do NOT send Cluster bombers with first wave. Time that wave to attack the turn after the first wave. You should have Fighter cover left from the previous turns attack for your cluster bombers. (keep a careful eye on any reinforcement the AI may bring to bare and strike there ships with Fighter-bombers from afar).

Third turn:
With the right amount of cluster bombers getting thru to the Planet (Observe that battle report and/or check the planets Last Unit cargo) you should now be ready to send in your main body with Troop Ships and a few Thousand Infantry (Fleet orders Capture Planet), be sure to have transports from the Home System ferrying troops on a regular bases, it may take in access of 6000-10000 infantry to capture a Home World in fair order.

That sounds like an epic battle!

[Aloofi]

Originally posted by henk brouwer:
Maybe it would be fun to mod the neutrals so they have special techs.. something like the master of orion guardian. problem would be that there can't be a tech-reward for destroying them
Maybe you could let them have a couple of special buildings on their homeworld that you could capture, a ship training facility that trains upto 40% or something.. anyhow just some ideas..

Henk

Nah, that would be just more bonus for the human player. In any case, I would make them more unrewarding than they are now.
Basicly, the current game is the Last game I'll play with Neutrals.

[JLS]

Originally posted by Aloofi:

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Originally posted by JLS:
2nd Wave: Launch but do NOT send Cluster bombers with first wave. Time that wave to attack the turn after the first wave. You should have Fighter cover left from the previous turns attack for your cluster bombers. (keep a careful eye on any reinforcement the AI may bring to bare and strike there ships with Fighter-bombers from afar).

Third turn:
With the right amount of cluster bombers getting thru to the Planet (Observe that battle report and/or check the planets Last Unit cargo) you should now be ready to send in your main body with Troop Ships and a few Thousand Infantry (Fleet orders Capture Planet), be sure to have transports from the Home System ferrying troops on a regular bases, it may take in access of 6000-10000 infantry to capture a Home World in fair order.

That sounds like an epic battle!

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This won't work with an experienced Proportions Human player so be on gaurd in multiplayer, he will launch from his planet first on your fleet taking out EVERY THING!!!!

So park outside your intended target system and send a SCOUT (always scout first, scout everything if not just to keep him guessing)
(Waist a scout so you can count the planets fighter reserves first)
And if you catch the Human napping; with not enough Home World Fighter reserves and low Point-Defense on WPs!
1,2,3 maybe 4 and with so little income with the Home World Blockaded and Contested: it's OVER

Send me the subjugation papers and where do I sign. So sad

[ March 04, 2003, 17:05: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

This won't work with an experienced Proportions Human player so be on gaurd in multiplayer, he will launch from his planet first on your fleet taking out EVERY THING!!!!

So park outside your intended target system and send a SCOUT (always scout first, scout everything if not just to keep him guessing)
(Waist a scout so you can count the planets fighter reserves first)
And if you catch the Human naping, with no Home World Fighter researves; it's OVER

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Actually this sounds like the USA position now, with so many of our Fighter Groups abroad.

[ March 04, 2003, 17:27: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

No matter how you stack umm, its tuff to beat PvKs Proportions many options of Play.
I believe that is why this Mod will endure.!
And to most that play Proportions, is the GAME from the GAME.

[ March 04, 2003, 16:07: Message edited by: JLS ]

[JLS]

See that, for over a year some have been trying to get me to Post.

Now, I can�t stop.