How do you fight Death Underwater?

JonBrave · #1 July 17th, 2012, 04:33 PM

OK, so say I happen to be R'lyeh (SP, CBM, EA), and say I'm getting my underwater provinces repeatedly raided by a few Death guys (say, bane lords, dispossessed spirits, those doggie-looking-ones). What do I do to actually beat these guys up & off? I have Astral (vs undead don't work underwater) and Water (that "Cleansing" thing don't work underwater), and no Death, my guys run away after a couple of turns of doing little damage. Oh, and R'lyeh doesn't have any priests to either banish or courage sermon. So now what?

Slobby · #2 July 17th, 2012, 06:04 PM

Mindblast? Should work as they're not mindless...

JonBrave · #3 July 17th, 2012, 06:18 PM

Mindblast is single-target. I think I need more AoE, they are quite a few undead, and I can't afford legions of mages to defend provinces against raiders.

Soyweiser · #4 July 18th, 2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JonBrave

Mindblast is single-target. I think I need more AoE, they are quite a few undead, and I can't afford legions of mages to defend provinces against raiders.

Slobbies advice isn't that bad here. As there are two ways of stopping invaders, killing them all, or killing the commanders to make the troops run away. Mind blast ignores the mindless troops and thus has a higher chance of killing the non mindless commanders.

The spells also tend to target the high hp big units first. And guess who is a big unit? The bane lord!

More:
It seems that his troops are basing their protection on being ethereal, iirc (not sure test this yourself) life drain bypasses this ethereal protection. (Units do not get life back from hitting undead, but they can still hit them iirc). So, gibodai could work.

Redeyes · #5 July 18th, 2012, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JonBrave

I can't afford legions of mages to defend provinces against raiders.

In general: you don't need a legion of mages, but the right mage casting the right spells. You should know which provinces the enemy is likely to raid and be able to defend those.

Apparently you were playing a single-player game? It might just be worth it to put a couple of aboleths or giboleths at the front line, as many as you need to turn away a couple of undead units.

JonBrave · #6 July 18th, 2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Redeyes

It might just be worth it to put a couple of aboleths or giboleths at the front line, as many as you need to turn away a couple of undead units.

Sorry, could you/someone clarify, why will they on front line turn away undead?

#7 July 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JonBrave

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Originally Posted by Redeyes

It might just be worth it to put a couple of aboleths or giboleths at the front line, as many as you need to turn away a couple of undead units.

Sorry, could you/someone clarify, why will they on front line turn away undead?

I guess he means that as the undead you are facing are non mindless types, they are vulnerable to ensalve from your Aboleths.

Other options not mentioned yet:
-You get a priest comander at pd 20, unless CBM modded him out.
-Check the indeps in the seas you own, Amber clan triton provinces have recruitable indep priests.
-Counter-raid.
-If you can make it to evo7, Nether Darts is your trademark mass destruction spell.

parone · #8 July 17th, 2012, 06:34 PM

astral fires? it defineatel works UW, not sure how good the AOE is

JonBrave · #9 July 17th, 2012, 06:45 PM

Just what do you mean by "astral fires"?? Ohhh, the book says that's S3F1, as R'yleh I don't have a single F-anything mage! Empowering an S3 would cost 50 fire per mage....

rdonj · #10 July 17th, 2012, 06:58 PM

R'lyeh does have death magic....