Italian OOB errors

[Imp]

unit 440 12.7 M2HB (HMG) range 28
unit 461 AA version has range of 40 which seems more likely.

Weapon TDA MO 60L
Would it be possible to include MTR in the name so know what it is. Used by engineers I think.

Weapon 80mm Folgore RG could not find info on but seems a bit to good for a RG
Accuracy 8 (I Think) range 18

FIAT/OTO 6616-A Armoured Car, have mentioned before but think 20mm cannon should have more ammo. Its same family as used in Marder 1 though obviosly storage/turret design limit ammo, lost site that gave ammo carried.

This OOB has the biggest exp morale modifiers I have noticed. The "elte" units may be considerably better than regulars but might want a quick look. Maybe reduce global exp by 5 or adjst slightly.
Commandos +25 +25 Spetsnaz at +20 highest I know of.
Several at +15 +15 Bersagliera etc
Paras other elites seem marginaly above norms to.
Just pointing out as noticed given Commandos weapons & usage not realy questioning them or others its more the Bersagliera are they realy that good.

Also a thought you are revieving carry capacity for some SAMs from a previos thread, namely Patriot. As it stands some cant move but others the capacity may be to low (no idea) Several fit in Medium or light trucks & while the odd one might making them heavy truck/prime mover transportable only might make sense.

[Imp]

TDA MO 60L weapon 119

80mm Folgore RG weapon 160
Thinking about this may be a RCL?

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Imp

This OOB has the biggest exp morale modifiers I have noticed. The "elte" units may be considerably better than regulars but might want a quick look. Maybe reduce global exp by 5 or adjst slightly.
Commandos +25 +25 Spetsnaz at +20 highest I know of.
Several at +15 +15 Bersagliera etc
Paras other elites seem marginaly above norms to.
Just pointing out as noticed given Commandos weapons & usage not realy questioning them or others its more the Bersagliera are they realy that good.

Can you tell that a the guy who originally worked on the OOB was a serving member of the Italian armed forces ??

The reason the Italian elites are higher is because the overall Moral / Experience ratings tend to be a bit lower than some of the others and the idea was to make the elite Italian units equal the elite units of other Nato nations. However, that was done some years ago and I believe there may have been some adjustments to the Morale/ Exp levels since then. So I will investigate this further

HOWEVER..... as this shows there may be more than just the obvious reasons a formation may be given + or - mor/exp . DO NOT "assume" that because a formation may be set up higher in MOBHACK that's it's higher than other units of it type when used in the game

Nation A/ 70 base exp + 15 elite = 85
Nation B/ 80 base exp + 10 elite = 90

That still puts Nation A's elites 5 points below Nation B but just looking at it in MOBNack makes it seem they are being given way too much

If Nation B goes to 75 base experience ( as Italy does from 1990 on ) and you take +15 for an elite force that may have the exact same experience as the Nation B elites that +15 puts Nation A on par with B

Capisca?



Don

[Imp]

Fair dinkim remember to look at the big picture, there are far more ways to muck things up than fix em in this game.

[brummbaer]

"Can you tell that a the guy who originally worked on the OOB was a serving member of the Italian armed forces ?? "

It seems to me that he had no idea, as I already pointed out in other thread

[82°VAM]

It seems to me that he had no idea, as I already pointed out in other thread

well as man is not God,he can make mistakes,but why don't you just push up your skirt sleeves and do make a brand new one,a correct one,or just correct and improve the existing ?
I bet it's easier to criticize and do not do a thing than just spend
time,a lot of it,doing reserach,trying to do the best I can,finding images,converting them...c'mon my friend,it's up to you to do a better job,a lot of time has gone since I did it,a lot of things have changed in the Italian military establishment as well,there is a lot of nice new hardware to put in...you are welcome if you do it
I will be gratefull,since I have no time to do it myself again

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

82VAM,
FULLY understand your time issues, however if I may, I came across some information to indicate that there is an updated version to the ARIETE C1 called either the ARIETE C2 or II. the issue is if the information is correct the FCS and TI/GSR was/is the major upgrade done. I understand it has the Galileo Avionica TURMS II system which would put it on my list of tanks (See the MBT Thread.) that need to have their TI/GSR values increased to 50. Can you provide any information to back mine up regarding the ARIETE?
Thank You for your consideration of this matter.

Regards,
Pat