GB Viking being Upgraded to Warthog in 2010

Cross · #1 July 4th, 2009, 09:18 AM

As a result of the recent tragic death of Lt Col Thorneloe, I've read a couple of reports on the Viking.

Here's an MoD article:
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...IsOnItsWay.htm

The Viking will be replaced by the Warthog in 2010.
The Warthog will come in 4 varients, including troop carrier and command vehicle.
The Warthog will carry 14 instead of the Viking's 12.
It's much more heavily armoured than the Viking. The Viking weighed about 10,000 Kg, I think the Warthog is 18,000 Kg before weapons/add ons etc.

I think the Viking includes units 328 and 703 in the British OOB, though there may be others.

Currently the Viking is listed as available to 2020. Though the article says they will come back to Britian and continue to be used for training (home guard).

Also, the Viking is listed as a "snow vehicle". which may be a bit misleading to those not familiar with the vehicle.

Just a 'heads up' Don.

cheers,
Cross

ps. If anyone's interested in the current British OOB, theres a nice MoD brochure on the the British Army vehicles and Equipment here:
http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/gen...12.PDF_web.pdf

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Imp · #2 July 4th, 2009, 10:54 AM

If it gets the snow bonus worth listing as, must be the fastest snow vehicle in the game though.

redcoat2 · #3 July 4th, 2009, 05:02 PM

The Warthog would probably deserve a snow bonus as well. When it was tested at the Nevada Automotive Test Center it reportedly did well in all climate/terrain conditions – from hot dusty desert to Arctic snow (the full range of conditions in A-stan).

Cross · #4 July 4th, 2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redcoat2

The Warthog would probably deserve a snow bonus as well. When it was tested at the Nevada Automotive Test Center it reportedly did well in all climate/terrain conditions – from hot dusty desert to Arctic snow (the full range of conditions in A-stan).

Yes, they both deserve a snow bonus.

My reference was regarding the point you just made, that they are called "All Terrain Vehicles" by the Army (snow/sand/mud/water).

I was just concerned that someone may think they are just for snow; particularly as they look a lot like those vehicles you see on the Antartic/Artic.

cheers,
Cross

redcoat2 · #5 July 4th, 2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cross

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Originally Posted by redcoat2

The Warthog would probably deserve a snow bonus as well. When it was tested at the Nevada Automotive Test Center it reportedly did well in all climate/terrain conditions – from hot dusty desert to Arctic snow (the full range of conditions in A-stan).

Yes, they both deserve a snow bonus.

My reference was regarding the point you just made, that they are called "All Terrain Vehicles" by the Army (snow/sand/mud/water).

I was just concerned that someone may think they are just for snow; particularly as they look a lot like those vehicles you see on the Antartic/Artic.

cheers,
Cross

Yes. I understood your original point and wholeheartedly agreed with it.

I just added a comment that the Warthog may also qualify for a snow bonus - like the Viking.

Imp · #6 July 4th, 2009, 10:46 PM

My point & why it is probably listed as a snow vehicle was that they are few & far between. Listing as such means you know its worth buying for snow as gets reduceded MP costs & using in the dessert etc its the same as any vehicle.

Mobhack · #7 October 2nd, 2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoat2

The Warthog would probably deserve a snow bonus as well. When it was tested at the Nevada Automotive Test Center it reportedly did well in all climate/terrain conditions – from hot dusty desert to Arctic snow (the full range of conditions in A-stan).

It would lose any snow vehicle bonus, if classed as one of the MPV classes. And vice versa. There is no "snow vehicle MPV" class - and all 255 unit class slots of that byte are utilised.

SP attributes come from unit class - not a data byte.

(Same as some in the Scandinavian OOBS that are utilised in some other class - like the UK SP mortar version - also lose the snow vehicle movement bonus in the white fluffy stuff. Those are no longer snow vehicles to the game. )

Cheers
Andy

Lt. Ketch · #8 July 8th, 2009, 10:43 AM

I loved how the picture in the article captioned, "Warthog will be powered....and will be able to move through water" showed one going through all of three inches of water. I don't doubt the vehicles capabilities. I just think they could of had a more impressive photo.

Cross · #9 July 8th, 2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt. Ketch

I loved how the picture in the article captioned, "Warthog will be powered....and will be able to move through water" showed one going through all of three inches of water. I don't doubt the vehicles capabilities. I just think they could of had a more impressive photo.

Lol, I imagine the caption to the photo below should be:

#@*# I knew we shouldn't have believed that MoD propaganda. Anyone know where the liferaft is?

redcoat2 · #10 October 2nd, 2009, 06:46 AM

It looks like the first batch of Warthogs will be delivered at the end of the year. Most will be delivered in 2010. The Press Release from the Singaporean manufacturer:

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Singapore, 28 September 2009 - British soldiers in Afghanistan will be receiving better protection against mines, increased operational mobility, and higher payload when the Warthog All-Terrain Vehicles (ATVs) enter service. ST Kinetics, the land systems arm of ST Engineering, today unveiled the Warthog - an agile, versatile and armoured 'beast of a vehicle' that will be delivered on schedule to the UK Ministry of Defence (UK MOD) from the end of the year.

"We are proud to roll out the first Warthog ATV within UK MOD's demanding delivery schedule and rigorous requirements. This is possible because of the close and productive relationship we have forged with the UK MOD from day one. Being flexible and attentive to their strict requirements and standards has been the key to our hugely successful collaboration to date, and a major differentiator for ST Kinetics among the world's engineering community." ~ SEW Chee Jhuen, President, ST Kinetics

"ST Kinetics have worked extremely hard and demonstrated a very open and pro-active way of working, giving MOD confidence going forward in delivering this project within the required timescales. The WARTHOG itself has proven itself to be a very capable vehicle in tests and trials. I am impressed by the high standards of engineering applied to this vehicle and the quality of the support package; providing our deployed forces with the higher levels of protection and mobility." ~ Brigadier Ian Simpson, DE&S Head of Combat Wheels Group, UK MOD

More than 100 vehicles worth over £150m (about S$330m) have been bought by the UK MOD in response to an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR). The UK MOD identified survivability and payload capacity as key operational requirements in the UOR programme.

Anticipating a demanding timeline, ST Kinetics had on its own accord procured production materials and components ahead of the Warthog contract award. To ascertain the vehicle's performance in extreme heat and dust conditions, the company had put a 19 tonne Warthog test-bed vehicle through desert trials in U.A.E. this summer.

A highly agile vehicle that can manoeuvre across difficult terrain, roll across trenches, tackle vertical obstacles, power-up steep gradients and even cling to slopes, the Warthog is based on ST Kinetics' Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC). The Bronco ATTC is a robust, reliable and proven articulated platform in operation since 2001.

The Warthog will come in four variants - Troop Carrier, Ambulance, Command, and Repair & Recovery. Vehicle deliveries will commence end 2009, with the majority to be delivered in 2010. Twelve UK Armed Forces trainers have already begun operation and maintenance training in Singapore to allow them to start bringing the vehicles into service shortly after delivery.