Russian units v4

[KraMax]

Hello Don and Andy.

We would like to communicate a little to you and dear visitors of this forum - on a theme of our units in game.

We will publish in this theme some our data about units in game.

[KraMax]

The units.

1. unit 001 � PT-76 � stabilizer no, shells for gun � HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=44 km/h =15 land and 4 water.

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iabrontanki/8/

2. unit 002 - PT-76B � new gun, The stabilizer in two planes, shells for gun � HE=24 AP=4 SABOT=4 HEAT=8, speed=45 km/h = 15 land and 4 water. In 1967 year new machine gun PKT, new radio.

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/pt76.shtml
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=33
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iabrontanki/8/

unit 611, 612, 613 - These units need to be cleaned. They take a place. The word "Morskoy" - is translated into English as a word "Sea". But these tanks so are amphibians. In 1990 these tanks did not modernise - them in general have removed from arms.

3. unit 003 - T-34/76 M1943 � correct shells: HE=75 AP=21 Sabot=4

Source: book � Bronekollekcia, 3.1999, �Medium tank T-34�, page 22.

4. unit 004 - T-34/85 � correct shells: HE=36, AP=14, Sabot=5. This tank had smoke candles.

http://mk-armour.narod.ru/1999/04/02.htm
book - Bronekollekcia, 4.1999, �Medium tank T-34-85�, page 9.

5. unit 006 - T-54 � weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, front hull armour=120mm 60 degrees, front turret armour 200mm.

http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...=106&Itemid=60
http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?...&printable=yes

6. unit 007 - T-54A - speed 50 km/h=17, shells: HE=20, AP=14, weapon 4 = BMG machine gun x1, weight 30 tons. In 1954 25 tanks have been made.

http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32

7. unit 008 - T-54B - weight 30 tons, speed 50 km/h=17

http://www.free-time.ru/military/tanks/tanki/t_54.html
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32

8. unit 009 � T-55 - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, weapon 4 = 7.62mm BMG maching gun.

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

9. unit 010 � T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, 12.7mm DShK have established on this tank only in 1970., in 1960 on tank T-55 have established a new sight=iam offer change fire control.

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

10. unit 011 � T-55A - weight 31 tons, speed 50 km/h=17, available from 1970. change fire control

http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/T55/index.php

11. units 012, 013, 014, 015, 106 � export variants tanks T-55AM.

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12. units 606 and 607 � T-34-85 - T-34-85 It was modernised after war of only 1 times - in 1960 - it has received new radio stations.
13. unit 609 - T-54 � weight 32 tons, speed 50 km/h=17. T-54 It was modernised 2 times to T-54A. These are updatings T-54-2 and T-54-3. Updating T-54-2 for game has no value. In 1952 on arms arrives T-54-3 with a new sight, 1 BMG a machine gun, armour hull front = 100mm 60 degrees.
http://army.lv/?s=249&id=32
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?...=106&Itemid=60
http://armor.kiev.ua/wiki/index.php?...&printable=yes

14. units 777 � 789, 857 - These are units clones of usual tanks. They take a superfluous place in OOB. These tanks in game are used for marines. These tanks can be used for marines - correctly having created formations.
15. unit 071, 073, 780, 781, 782 � export variant.
16. unit 017 � T-62 � speed=55 km/h=18, weight=37 tons, shells=40 HE=22, Sabot=12, HEAT=6, in 1969 year used 12.7mm DShK AAMG, in 1975 year laser sight, armour fron hull=100mm, hull side=80mm, rear hull=46mm, front turret=242mm, side turret=153mm.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm
17. unit 610 � T-62 - What it for the tank? An error?
18. Why on all tanks T-62 the machine gun - weapon 064 (7.62mm PKT CMG) is used. The machine gun 7.62mm PKT TMG - weapon 063 Should be used.
19. unit 789 � T-62D � medium tank, Improved armour, CIWS - Drozd
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm
20. unit 021 � T-62M � improved armour, improved antiHEAT armour, new improved sight, new smoke discharge � Tucha � 8 units, new stabilizer, new radio, new system manual fire with ATGM, new machine gun NSVT 12.7mm.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm

21. unit 022, 792 � T-62M BDD � iam offer remove this tank. I do not know such tank.
22. tank T-62M1 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM.
23. tank T-62M1-2 - Same as well as T-62M - only without ATGM and without improved armour.
24. tank T-62MD - Same as well as T-62M + CIWS � �Drozd�
25. unit 023 � T-62MV - Same as well as T-62M + Reactive armour, in 1985 year, weight 38 tons
26. All other tanks T-62 or were export, or never existed. In the beginning of 21 centuries it is possible to make 2 or 3 updatings T-62 with new ATGM rockets. These tanks stand till now on arms in Russia.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-62.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t62.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t62weapon.htm

27. In the USSR or Russia there is no concept - the support tank or CS tank. At us the tank of support it - BMPT - a fighting vehicle of support of tanks. We assume that in the tank shells not under the army charter, theoretically, could be loaded. All tanks CS - in game for Russian can be made on 1 or 2 kinds for each type of tanks - approximately as it is made in ours OOB.

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28. unit 024 � T-64 � speed 65 km/h=22, weight 36 tons, weapon 3 = 12.7mm DShK, ROF=7, available smoke discharges
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/

29. unit 026 � T-64A � machine gun NSVT, can use KMT-6, improved armour, new system control fire=change fire control, in 1979 year - new system smoke discharges Tucha � 12 units, in 1975 year improved armour � �korund armour�, weight 38.5 tons, in 1980 in side onboard screens from rubber, 37 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/

30. unit 025 � T-64R - Same as well as T-64A with 30mm armour front turret.
31. unit 027 � T-64B - Same as well as T-64A or T-64R + ATGM, new system control fire, new stabilizer sight, in 1978 new smoke discharges grenades Tucha-2, new radio, 36 shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-64.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/13/

31. units 680 � T-64B1 - Same as well as T-64B without ATGM, in 1976
32. unit 028 � T-64BV - Same as well as T-64B with reactive armor
33. unit 029 � T-64BV1 - Same as well as T-64B1 with reactive armor, in 1985
33. all other tanks T-64 series i do not know such.
34. all tanks change weapon 064 on weapon 063 � 7.62mm PKT TMG.
35. unit 030 � T-72 � name T-72 Ural, speed 60 km/h=20, system fire control, stabilizer etc.=T-64A � change fire control, stabilizer, 39 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

36. unit 031 � T-72A � in arms 1979, new liser sight, new night sight, inproved front armour turret, new smoke discharge Tucha-2 � 12 units, 44 shells, in 1982 new stabilizer.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

37. unit 614 � T-72AV � in service 1985, weight 43 tons, speed 60 km/h=20, with reactive armour
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

38. tank T-72B � not in game, in service 1985, with ATGM, new system fire control, with reactive armour, 44,5 tons, new stabilizer, +20mm steel on front turret, new laser sight, new night sight, 45 shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

39. unit 036 � T-72B(M) � name T-72BM, the meteologic ballistic gauge TWO that considerably raise accuracy of fire - change fire control, reactive armour built in.
40. unit 034 � T-72B1 - - Same as well as T-72B without ATGM.
41. tank T-72B Rogatka � in service 2006, new 125mm gun, new reactive armour �Relict� built in, antiHEAT lattices � side and rear, VIRSS � Shtora,, the device of increase of accuracy of shooting, automatic the ballistic calculator, a multichannel sight, TI 3000 meters, the is passive-active device of supervision, 40mm identification of the purpose without illumination, the multilayered combined protection with reflecting sheets, armour turret front 800mm equivalent (HEAT 1200mm), hull 750mm equivalent (HEAT 1000mm)

http://www.btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/rogatka.htm

42. unit 033 - tank T-72BV � Same as well as T-72B + reactive armour � built in.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-72.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-72.html

43. other tanks T-72 series - or never was, or export. It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets

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44. unit 038 � T-80 � speed 70km/h=23, in service 1976, without ATGM, the control system of fire is similar T-64B - with new stibilizer and sights, 38 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
45. unit 039 � T-80B � in service 1978, with ATGM, improved armour turret front, new sight
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
46. tank T-80B1 - Same as well as T-80B without ATGM.


47. unit 040 � T-80BV - Same as well as T-80B with reactive armour, in 1985.
48. unit 053 � T-80U � in service 1985, new sight, new laser sight, new stabilizer, combined night/day sight, new smoke discharge Tucha, improved survivability (fire system), new combined armour with reactive armour Kontakt � built in, in game right
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
49. unit 850 � T-80UM - Same as well as T-80U + TI + new radio + improved armour, in 2001 year + new stabilizer, new gun, new sight, new system fire control, new sight commander tank.
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
50. unit 853 � T-80UM1 Bars � name T-80UM-1 Bars, Same as well as T-80UM + new gun + CIWS and VIRSS.
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80u.htm
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-80.htm
http://t80leningrad.narod.ru/tank_t80_1.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.html
51. other tanks T-80 series - It is possible to make some updatings of tanks for new ATGM Rockets
52. unit � 858 � T-90 � in service 1992 or 1993 ???, it improved T-72BM � ractive armour Kontakt-V built in, new system fire control, new sight stabilized in twoplanes, smoke discharges Tucha � 12 units, 43 shells, VIRSS=Shtora, TI, in 2004 year tank T-90A with improved armour turret
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-90.htm
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90_v_strou.htm

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53. unit 795 � Chiorniy Oriol � iam offer remove this tank.
54. unit 065 � IS-IIM1944 � name IS-2M1944 its tank clone unit 995.
I will not remember that in designations of tanks in USSR/Russia were used the Roman figures.
55. unit 479 � IS-IIM � name IS-2M, speed 12, in service 1954, weight 46 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-2.htm
56. unit 480 � IS-III � name IS-3, speed 40 km /h= 13, shells: HE 18, AP 10, weight 46 tons
http://armoured.vif2.ru/is-3.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/
57. unit 993 � IS-IIIM � name IS-3M, weight 49 tons, I think - from the point of view of game this tank is not interesting.
58. unit � 597 � IS-IV � name IS-4.
59. unit 481 � T-10A/B � name T-10, weight 50 tons, stabilizer not, 30 shells, weapon 2 � 90 bullets, in service 1954
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/

60. unit 067 � T-10A/B � name T-10B, weight 50 tons, weapon 2 = 90 bullets, in service 1957, stibilizer 2
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/

61. unit 482 � T-10M � in service 1958, new sights, change range finder = use 14.5mm MG, device smoke discharge available, 30 shells
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/

62. units 524 and 525 � T-10M � in service 1967 (sabot shells), For this tank it is possible to use since 1967 a gun 098. In this gun it is necessary to change data: HEAT=450mm, Sabot=320mm with 2000meters. This tank use Sabot shells.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-10.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...abrontanki/10/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartyorbm/6/
63. units 460 and 461 � SU-100 � weight 32 tons, without MG, in 1960 new device night view and new radio, speed 17.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%A3-100
http://bronetehnika.narod.ru/su100/su100_2.html
http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/57/45/lang,ru/
http://www.weltkrieg.ru/armoured/SU-100/
64. unit 483, 603, 604 � ISU-152 � weight 46 tons

[DRG]

One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG

Don

[iCaMpWiThAWP]

Originally Posted by DRG

One thing I would like to point out is in many cases you use a "TMG" when a "CMG" would be more appropriate. In most cases there is no difference in a TMG or CMG version of a MG and the only difference is the name but TMG's are in most cases slot one weapons. CMG's are used in slot 2 and 3 and BMG's are used in slot 4. It's a bit odd to be using something named TMG in slot 3 though it would do the same job as a CMG

Don

so that means that tanks equipped with CMG in slot #1 are the same thing than the ones equupped with TMG in slot #1?

[DRG]

Originally Posted by iCaMpWiThAWP

so that means that tanks equipped with CMG in slot #1 are the same thing than the ones equupped with TMG in slot #1?

Usually the only difference between a TMG and a CMG of a specific weapon is the TMG or the CMG tacked on at the end of the name. BMG's are a different case and although both weapons will have the same effect in the game "traditionally" TMG's are slot one weapons as I explained. This was all done long ago when everyone thought there were more weapon, unit and formations slots than anyone would ever need and it made it clear what the weapon should be used for and it's not an issue at all in any OOB with one exception and that's the Russian OOB which is low on available weapon slots and there is NO way to add more without screwing up every scenario made for the game

That said there has been some re-organization and there are more free weapons slots now but I noticed that the SPR OOB was using TGM where CMG was more appropriate and both weapons where available and I though that perhaps there was some confusion as to there usage


Don

[KraMax]

And TMG it is a tank (or BTR main gun etc) machine gun (not AAMG).
For example, in a case with T-10 and SU-100 - machine gun use 14.5mm CMG - is unjustified. Is not present units which would use this machine gun more.
We understand that you wish to specify in the machine gun name in what slot it to use, but what for to create clone other weapon, if at us and so almost is not present free slots For the weapon.

p.s. soory for my bad English