Command Vehicles

[oragus]

What would be a good way to simulate a command vehicle? For example, command tanks like the PzBefWgn 35(t)s, 38(t)s, & IIIs.

So far I have bumped up their radios to a value of 91 to follow suit with the PzBefWgn Ibs, but not sure if the class should stay medium tank or change to FO Vehicle, or even to HQ? Or maybe a new class, command vehicle, hint, hint Don & Andy....I know fat chance, but no harm in asking. lol. Obviously I have dropped the bow machine guns, because these were removed for the installation of a second radio. The removing of the main gun can't be proved in the 35(t)s or 38(t)s, like the IIIs though, or should I say with the sources I have they can't be any ways.

Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.

[Mobhack]

"command vehicles" - or specifically labelled and identifiable "platoon/company" etc HQ units, as we have stated often enough on the forums for people to know our opinions by now, are a seriously bad idea.

Since the SP series of games give you too much information (spot something and it is immediately labelled, ther eis no concept of partial spotting ("enemy tank" or "tiger!" for a Mk4 )), then this route is a sure way to have your opponent informed of precisely which units to kill first. It is like labelling these things with a great big "Kick me" sign!

The AI will know nothing about them, and use them as vehicles or foot elements of that class. A human player may remember to hide them behind cover etc wherever possible.

So - specific command vehicles etc are generally, a bad idea. They should only be used for e.g. FOO vehicles, or offered for humans only in the misc tab (as in some MBT OOBS with M577 etc), assuming they can lift an HQ element), as a species of utility vehicle or similar. Soviet-stle company and above commander tanks (all post WW2?) are not modelled, for this reason too.

There is a particularly bad example of this in the WW2 GE OOB - Ost company KpFue (sp) - which tells me that I have to execute one in my current Soviet LC, when I trip over one! - we will need to edit the name of this unit to a generic ost type. No idea how that got through QA..

Cheers
Andy

[Marek_Tucan]

OTOH with tanks and vehicles, from what I've read shooting "tanks with antennae" was a reliable way to stop Soviet tank units. Of course most likely concerned the older units - command tanks got there that ugly large circular antena around a turret so were easy to spot.
One solution would be to name the command vehicle exactly as normal one and have gentleman's agreement with say PBEM opponent that you won't be looking at enemy's unit information screens.

[Mobhack]

Since the SP code gives any formation command unit a radio, there is absolutely no need for special command tanks. Therefore, assume they are part of the formations already provided.

Cheers
Andy

[oragus]

I apologize if this is an old topic. Didn't realize it.

Early in the war, They were extremely easy to spot, ie the rail antenna. Germany learned from this and changed to the less noticeable "star" antenna. As well as the dummy gun, to simulate looking like a normal tank.

You are correct though Andy, it was not a good idea to make them so obvious. lol. But they were still there none the less.

As far as the AI usuage goes, no way to control that with the picklist? Don't know much about the picklist, just asking. You know me Andy, most my efforts are graphics. lol. Just trying to find a usage for my Pz.Bef.Wgs. Considering there is one in game right now anyways, the Pz.Bef.Wg Ib. Thought I would expand that with the others.

It would be nice to have them prevent the flaming "Out of Contact" tag with units that have radios. Kinda a range extender if you will?

The code giving all the formation command units radios is a good thing for Germany, because all their fighting vehicles were to have radios. Not quite sure about other countries. Now, the Command Vehicles I am referring are higher on the command tree than, say the platoon commander. They had mulitple radios. No radio value that will simulate more than one radio?

If the code won't allow the class "command vehicle", or its your personal preference to not have it, any way to simulate it within current restraints? IE, radio value, existing classes? I know making them an FO vehicle makes them pretty darn expensive.

[Mobhack]

SP units either have a radio - which works or not. No separate networks, so no need for command vehicles that had several operators and radios.

There really is no need for command vehicles whatsoever, since they would have absolutely no game function.

Cheers
Andy