Magic Item Quick Reference for Dom 3?

Huntsman · #1 October 29th, 2007, 08:09 PM

I'm coming off a nearly 2-year long hiatus from Dominions (yay!) and was wondering if there's an updated version of Zen's incredibly useful MIQR PDF. I have the Excel databases but what was so great about Zen's PDFs is use of the icons.

Morkilus · #2 October 29th, 2007, 08:15 PM

Welcome back, Huntsman. When will you be ready for some multiplayer!?

Huntsman · #3 October 29th, 2007, 08:24 PM

Heya Morkilus! I'm glad to be back. I've just joined a newb/amateur Dom3 game with the guys over at quartertothree.com to ease my way back. I can't believe it's been nearly 2 years...

Anyway, hope to see you on the battlefield soon (on my side, of course).

Edi · #4 October 30th, 2007, 06:34 AM

No update for that. We haven't seen Zen here for months. The only reference material for Dom3 so far is the Dom3 DB, which is admittedly rather unwieldy for what you are looking for.

lch · #5 October 30th, 2007, 08:02 AM

On the other hand, the original spreadsheet for that PDF still exists and could be updated by someone who has the dedication to do so. I received it on the IRC channel by someone, I forgot who it was... Maybe Evilhomer or Folket, I don't know.

Huntsman · #6 October 30th, 2007, 12:14 PM

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lch said:
On the other hand, the original spreadsheet for that PDF still exists and could be updated by someone who has the dedication to do so. I received it on the IRC channel by someone, I forgot who it was... Maybe Evilhomer or Folket, I don't know.

If I can get a copy of the original spreadsheet, I'd be happy to update the PDF.

Huntsman · #7 November 3rd, 2007, 05:11 PM

I've started doing the update and I'm wondering what the special property "On Targets" means in the Dom3 manual. For instance, Smasher has the special prop "On Targets: Crusherknack".

Initially I thought it was the same as "On hit", which is self-explanatory, but there are references to "On hit" as well.

Anybody have any idea? I'm assuming it means that actually "hitting" your target isn't necessary for the effect to fire. Maybe you must actually target an area or unit, perhaps...

Edi · #8 November 3rd, 2007, 05:42 PM

It is probably the same as "on hit", unless there is some way to determine that it actually uses a different flag. If you look at actual weapon data, Smasher has crusherknack as secondaryeffect, which means it only affects the target on hit. If it were a secondaryeffectalways type of extra effect, then it would hit regardless of whether the smasher blow hit or missed.

I don't know if you have looked at the Dom3 DB, but it has a page with the data on magic items, so you may find some useful information in there. It is substantially expanded from the Dom2 DB, so much so that the two documents have fairly little in common besides the naming conventions.

Huntsman · #9 November 4th, 2007, 12:19 PM

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Edi said:
It is probably the same as "on hit", unless there is some way to determine that it actually uses a different flag. If you look at actual weapon data, Smasher has crusherknack as secondaryeffect, which means it only affects the target on hit. If it were a secondaryeffectalways type of extra effect, then it would hit regardless of whether the smasher blow hit or missed.

I thought maybe it meant that the effect is targetted by the player. For example, you'd have to choose to cast Crusherknack manually...

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I don't know if you have looked at the Dom3 DB, but it has a page with the data on magic items, so you may find some useful information in there. It is substantially expanded from the Dom2 DB, so much so that the two documents have fairly little in common besides the naming conventions.

I have DomDB but it doesn't always go into specifics and in some cases either a) is missing an item completely or b) has less information than the manual and/or the old MIQR PDF.

I think what I'm going to do is just use the manual as the master source of data. Unfortunately, i don't have the time to examine each item in game.

Edi · #10 November 4th, 2007, 12:48 PM

The Dom3 DB item data has been collected by examining each item from the game, though in patch 3.08. The only changes to items in 3.10 compared to 3.08 is IIRC that the Lightless Lantern and Boots of Quickness both got a slightly expanded description. To my knowledge, no items are actually missing.