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Old August 19th, 2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Need suggestion on implementing the HUMRAAM

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HUMRAAM
SLAMRAAM

I need suggestions for weapon data for the AMRAAM missile.

I'm currently thinking :

Weapon Class - 12
Accuracy - 130
Weapon Size - 2
Warhead Size - 8
HE Penetration - 15
HE Kill - 15
Sabot Range - 6
Weapon Range - 240

But I'll be the first to admit I know little or nothing about SAM's so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Default Re: Need suggestion on implementing the HUMRAAM

I've already started dealing with MANPADS as far as figures are concerned, but medium-range radar-guided SAMs are much more hazy in my mind (and my sources) for now.
From what I can tell, your accuracy value should be in the right range. You could probably go for 150/160 (after all the old S-300 gets 160 already), but given that the first ground-launched missiles (Norwegian NASAMS and early CLAWS) were certainly early AIM-120A/B variants, the choice is up to you regarding which you want to model.

Actually the official Norwegian OOB includes a NASAM (OOB 29, weapon 138), which could probably do with some upgrading, based on the AMRAAM data I could find.
Warhead of the early versions is quoted at 23kg, i.e. nearly twice that of a 9M33Mx aka SA-8B, which already gets a WHS of 10 and HEK of 18 in the Russian OOB.

Other than that, do you have any hard data on the actual range of the ground-launched missile? GlobalSec gives 20mi as range, which sounds ridiculously low for AtA (DesignationSystems.net gives 30-45mi for early versions and 65mi for second generation), so could that be the ground-to-air range?
And what about the minimum range? There's no first-stage booster AFAIK, but that also means low maneuverability at short ranges, and the launcher shouldn't be easily pivoted around (at least the Hummer-based version). Also the airframe itself isn't exactly meant for low-altitude engagements. In your opinion, how does all this works out?

Just my 2c, I've some interest in this one, but not much to offer alas...
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Default Re: Need suggestion on implementing the HUMRAAM

I hadn't noticed the NASAM in the Norwegian OOB - and since it seems to be more-or-less a first generation of this system it'll make a good set of base values to work with.

Even at a 20 mile range that gives it a range of 255 in-game (same as the HAWK and other area defense SAM systems) so I guess that's all that's needed for game purposes.

I suspect the ground launched version does have a lower range then the air launched. I do know there's a long range version in development/early production because the early version did not that the same range as the Phoenix used by the US Navy. No hard data but it currently seems to have s range similar to the Sparrow.

My understanding is this is not intended as a replacement for the current Stinger based systems but a new "medium" range system to cover the gap between them and the more-or-less fixed site HAWK/Patriot systems.
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