Glamour post 3.08

TwoBits · #1 June 26th, 2007, 11:30 AM

I'll do my bit of community service, and start a new thread, as suggested in that one about Vanheim.

OK, what're your opinions on the new rules? Any complaints still, or is everything 100% perfect now?

So I'm not just trolling, here's my take - seems to be fitting the bill so far. At least opponents have a few more viable options, especially early game, against it (Glamour that is).

Of course, the counter can still be countered - decoy troops come immediately to mind. And I don't think the changes have impacted the stealth/raiding abilities of glamour troops all that much. So maybe there's still some price/resource tweaking that can be done (like was done with Lanka). Or maybe not. What do you think?

Sombre · #2 June 26th, 2007, 11:39 AM

I'm thinking with something of a 'nerf' on the glamboys, that Lanka might be the next nation to rile people up, since it's basically good in every category.

Jazzepi · #3 June 26th, 2007, 11:43 AM

I tried massing archers against a playing using Vans with a strong E9 bless and a weak N4-6 bless. They were completely ineffective at knocking out the glamored images as was promised.

Jazzepi

Morkilus · #4 June 26th, 2007, 11:58 AM

I don't see glamor as a changeworthy issue; the last change was in fitting with the spirit of the rules and wasn't meant as a pure "nerf" for balancing, though I'm sure the complaints had something to do with it. I don't believe there was a promise to allow everyone to destroy Vans with archers; the higher protection and regen from blesses means you had better have your own troops that can guard your archers while they do their work. I'm guessing that against the F9W9 bless you're going to do a lot better assuming you have some heavy infantry to slow them down.

Jazzepi · #5 June 26th, 2007, 12:14 PM

"I don't believe there was a promise to allow everyone to destroy Vans with archers"

Nobody said anything about destroying Vans. I'm talking about the 150 archers I bought doing absolutely nothing. Actually, what I ended up doing was buying a ton of melee chaff that would soak up the van's high defense, and having argatha mages spamming earth bind to reduce it further.

Neither the archers, nor the spell spammers, not the chaff worked.

Jazzepi

Gandalf Parker · #6 June 26th, 2007, 12:45 PM

It was archers and magic.
The anti-glamour tactics I have seen include many squads of slingers. Or area affect spells and equipment. The Gall Bladder Stick was mentioned.

There is a poison spell which does the entire battlefield which is seems to be particularly effective.

Saxon · #7 June 27th, 2007, 02:01 AM

A voice from the single player crowd here.

If the Vans are still trashing large forces of mixed troops, they are still going to dominate the single player maps. This leads to the same �Vans vs human player� end games that I seemed to run into all the time. Linked to this, I stopped having Vanheim in my single player games a while back, but I have noticed that Trig�o�how�doyou�spellit seem to end up beating other AI regularly.

It appears that the AI has a real problem with glamour.

In any case, I will put Vanheim back in the game and see what happens.

My other point is to support Jazzepi. If 150 archers do not at least remove some glamour, there is a bit of a problem. These are not SC, they are recruitable troops. I don�t expect the archers to win, but they should be able to at least scratch the enemy. It wasn�t high Air blessing these Vans had, it was Water and Earth.