major mistake in Romanian OOB

[CrnaStrela]

The mistake is major because it concerns Romania's main battle tank and this puts the Romanian player at a serious disadvantage.

But before I go into the thick of it, it would be nice to have the TR-85 M2 removed from the Romanian OOB completely because this upgrade hasn't been done yet (if ever) and we don't know the specs (the ones in v.2.5 are a bit on the ridiculous side too)... Actually I don't think Romania is done upgrading its TR-85 to M1 yet. So it would be great to have only M1 for now. Anyway, below is the TR-85 M1 file from v.2.5



First off (and not a disadvantage at all) the penetration figure for its main gun under APCR is a bit higher than in reality. The correct number should be 450mm instead of 470mm. Jane's puts its optimal penetration at 45cm at 1km Just nitpicking.

Next is the armour protection which seems to be extremely low in v.2.5. SP:MBT puts the front turret at 270mm against KE while sources indicate 580mm and this makes sense because tr-85 m1 is heavier than any Russian T-XX tank... here's a table from wikipedia. check the weight and armour...



So in SPMBT it doesn't even have half the real protection. Somehow SPMBT treats TR-85 M1 as a generic T-55 in this aspect but you can clearly see from pictures that M1 is very beefed up in terms of armour protection, to the turret and hull as well.



Fire control is also too low. Actually the only good thing about this tank is its modern FCS because otherwise it's undergunned and its armour protection is average at best, even at 580mm KE.

More info on its FCS:

The electronics are vastly improved ( in fact no fielded T72 has such modern electronics , only the latest prototypes ) , it has a top notch computerised fire control system , CICLOP M , with a laser designator and passive night vision equipment ( 2000m capable at night ). The system is able to continously engage targets at over 4000m with the latest APFSDS rounds.Aiming devices and sights have alse been replaced.

From the manufacturer

The upgraded of the Romanian TR-85 tank consist in increasing fire power and penetration, more maneuverability, fire control system CICLOP-M with night-time passive imagine intensifier or termovision.

Effective weapons:

o High lethality against all target types, due to APFSDS rounds and firing range
o Day and night sighting system infrared /light intensifier
o Stabilized and accurate gun
o Modern fire control system



Improved survivability:

o Additional passive armour
o Laser illumination warning sensors
o Rapid fire suppression system
o NBC protection
o Flare / Smoke grenades launcher



Improved mobility:

o Modern, powerful engine and transmission
o Hydro-gas shock absorbers
o Effective suspension
o Two - bolt tracks

considering this FC and vision should be higher than 20... even a generic T-55 has 20 vision...

please post your thoughts

[CrnaStrela]

video of TR-85 M1 during military exercise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaOtWHI63Hc

[CrnaStrela]

Is support for the game dead?

In any case, THIS forum is dead.

By the way, why does the MLI 84 have only 5 FC? This must be a mistake. BMP-2 has 15 an it's almost 40 years old. The MLI 84 was just recently fit with a modern Israeli OWS-25R turrent. The vision may also pose a problem because the manufacturer of OWS-25R says that the turret system comes with an optional thermal imager. MLI-84 has 30 vision but in game terms thermal imager increases that number to 40 but I'm not sure if the deal included thermal images. I will try to find out.

[RecruitMonty]

Just change it yourself. Go into Mobhack and do it. I did all my changes personally.

[CrnaStrela]

if everyone fixed the oobs by themselves no one would ever be able to play by e-mail due to the huge amounts of different oobs. that's why there is or should be a dev team that takes care of these things. it's pretty frustrating to PBEM and your MBT has 2 1/2 times less protection than in real life and piss poor vision and FC... might as well just buy a T-55!

[narwan]

If you'd be paying attention you'd know the developers have recently been extremely busy with WinSPWW2. They have also made clear a general update for WinSPMBT is scheduled for this (late) fall. Small issues like this may very well be included in that update.
But give them some time will you? They've worked back to back on both WinSPMBT and WinSPWW2 and are now in need of a break. And just in case you didn't know, this is not the regular job of the developers. They do this as a 'hobby' on the side.

Do try to make it easy on the developers; that includes providing data, links and credible sources. It's nothing personal, it's just we can't assume that everyone who claims something isn't right knows their stuff. Too often it turns out they didn't and doublechecking claims takes far too much time. Wikipedia and manufacturers data are a start but not the most reliable of sources...
Still, I'm confident this will get looked at in due time. In the meanwhile, the more accurate data you can provide, the more likely it is that this will be changed in the revision.

Narwan