SCs other than the vq

[mivayan]

A Vampire queen scripted to "quickness, ironskin, mistform, attack rearmost" costs 302 points and is very strong against indeps.

One reason this is popular could be a lack of other ideas for strong sc pretenders. So, lets hear some ideas, maybe carrion dragons, medusa or wyrms can be great early on too?

[IKerensky]

Well a simple man white bull with 5-6 level of nature casting regen/protection is cheap too... and will eat away a lot of indies

I dont think the main trouble is that VQ is too good against indies, nearly anyone can design a cheap Thug that could crush easily indies... problem is that VQ can pretty badly crush anyone without taking risk of dying...

[Kristoffer O]

Bull rarely dies and is recuperating.

Other pretenders might get afflictions. Best avoid them altogether

I suppose it is cowards who choose the VQ

[Cainehill]

Carrion Dragon is simply amazing. Its dragon form has 200 hit points, great attacks, Fear 10+, and heals its wounds. Only significant problem in attacking indies is running into the wrong spell casters, or not being set to melee attack and exhausting itself casting weak attack spells.

But wait, it gets better! It also has a Carrion Lord form - 57 HPs, and a full assortment of equipment slots! Still immune to poison, still 0 endurance for melee attacks, regardless of what armor you put on it! And, this week only, buy the Carrion Dragon chassis for just 50 points, that's right, 50 points, and we'll throw in a dose of Stealth for the Carrion Lord form, and Sleep Vines too!

[Teraswaerto]

Lots of pretenders make good SCs or Thugs, but of them only the VQ is immortal. It is a huge advantage compared to any other pretender.

[Kristoffer O]

Phoenix. Lich with winged boots.