Help! Ran out of stuff to research!!

[raynor]

In MOO2, you can research FOREVER. Once you've researched all the tech areas available, you start researching what I think it calls 'Advanced Technologies'. From that point on, instead of getting new items, you just make your existing stuff smaller.

I find this approach to be extremely realistic and am quite disappointed not to find something similar in SEIV. SEIV is the better game with more stuff to research. But its research will forever pale in comparison to MOO2's while it remains possible to research everything and then have your research labs sitting idle.

Comments welcome as always.

[Atrocities]

Well think of this from a programers point of view. How much to to little and how much is too much?

If you wish more tech, you can always make it yourself, and mod it to the game. If you do, let me know.

[raynor]

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Well think of this from a programers point of view. How much is too little and how much is too much?

If you wish more tech, you can always make it yourself, and mod it to the game. If you do, let me know.

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Infinite is enough. Not infinite is not good enough. I'm not talking infinite items but rather infinite refinement of existing items. The more you research an area, the smaller the items get.

From a programmer's perspective, either the game engine supports changing the size of a component or it doesn't. Maybe hard, maybe not. It depends on the original game design.

I just hate that the game at some point stops and says: Okay. Once you've researched how to build a computer that can calculate rocket trajectories that fits in a single building, you stop. I want instead for the game to let me keep researching until such a computer sits on my desk.

Thanks for the offer. You can bet I'll take you up on it. Although, I may just try to spend some time documenting what other folks have done. It would be hard to match the creativity of the tons of folks whose Posts I've read!

[Warlord Adamus]

MM was originallly considering having a program that would just keep expanding component abilities infinitely but it was vetoed by the beta testers. Too time consuming, and eventually you'll start having game balance problems.

[raynor]

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Originally posted by Warlord Adamus:
MM was originallly considering having a program that would just keep expanding component abilities infinitely but it was vetoed by the beta testers. Too time consuming, and eventually you'll start having game balance problems.

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Hmm... that's disappointing.

I think right now, you have a problem in which an advanced tech empire runs out of decent weapons to research about 70 turns into the game...

[nmoppa]

I have to admit, WHAT WE HARDCORE GAMERS WANT is a game with unlimited possibilities, including an infinite number of possibilities to research. MOO 2 was also not unlimited, after researching everything (much less, though, than in SE IV!), indeed you could go on researching for some time resulting in only smaller "cargo" to include in whatever you want, but a level 10 it also stops. AARON feels the same about the infinite possibilities. I hope to live long enough that it's indeed possible to fulfill this dream. For the time being, however, I HARDLY SLEEP PLAYING THE CURRENT VERSION OF WHAT I FEEL IS THE BEST STRATEGY GAME EVER!

I don't complain, I knew what would going to happen when I ordered the game. Only it's SO difficult to explain your partner that it's really NOT possible to go to WHATEVER this evening since you have to "WORK " late again and to prove this is correct you show her or him all the time you spend on this BB to actually make live for a lot of humans better (and when he or she is convinced, quickly CTRL ALT TAB back to the game in progress ).

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PERHAPS THIS IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE <Worf facing another critical fight>

[This message has been edited by nmoppa (edited 10 February 2001).]