Imagine there's no Talisman, it isn't hard to do

Loser · #1 July 16th, 2003, 07:56 PM

First things first. This thread is not for discussing the merits or fairness of the Talisman or the Talisman ability in any sense. Please see another thread for that discussion.

So, take the Talisman out of the Deeply Religious tree. Now is that tree worth the whole 1500 points?

What is it worth?

What could make it worth 1500 points again?

Can it be made worthwhile without including pale imitations of the Talisman?

Taera · #2 July 16th, 2003, 07:58 PM

yes it is worth. religious is an awesome tech tree on its own, i'dbe taking it occassionaly if there wasnt the talisman. A religious player is supposed to be realy difficult to take out - any defending ship you put out is always better than the rest, and its difficult to run intel on you, and your producing more and faster of everything. Religious tree does not need the talisman, or anything else. It stands pretty well along all other racial techs, its just a different Category of such.

Loser · #3 July 16th, 2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Taera:
... and its difficult to run intel on you,

I didn't think this worked.

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Originally posted by Taera:
and your producing more and faster of everything.

How do you figure?

Slynky · #4 July 16th, 2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Loser:

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Originally posted by Taera:
... and its difficult to run intel on you,

I didn't think this worked.

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Originally posted by Taera:
and your producing more and faster of everything.

How do you figure?

I don't know enough to know if one of the shrines you can build helps out in the intel field but in the other remark, I think he's referring to upping resource production.

Loser · #5 July 16th, 2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Slynky:
I don't know enough to know if one of the shrines you can build helps out in the intel field but in the other remark, I think he's referring to upping resource production.

Oh, yeah, the Time Shrine. Of course. Good stuff that.

I'm pretty sure the previous one he mentioned was the Fate Shrine. And I thought the Intel-defense ability of this facility didn't actually work....

[ July 16, 2003, 19:11: Message edited by: Loser ]

Fyron · #6 July 16th, 2003, 08:32 PM

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and its difficult to run intel on you

That facility does not work. What I think it does is to make the system that the Fate Shrine is in less likely to be selected as the target of a random project (when you select random planet, random ship, etc.), but that is it. It is no harder to succeed against a system with a fate shrine (even when the ability is modded up to 100 or so) than it is against a normal system. There is 0 effect on targeted projects.

There is also the Nature Shrine, which increases all planet values. I personally think this is the most powerful non-Talisman aspect of the Religious trait, as it is a lot cheaper to research (IIRC) and much more effective than normal VIPs.

[ July 16, 2003, 19:33: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]