phenix pyre

Bullock · #1 February 13th, 2012, 12:04 PM

Well i ve just lost a big battle because of this spell ... playing Abysia !!

So here is the situation

I m going to play a decisive battle with lot of abysian mages 2F + some nice invoc all with 100% resist fire from items or native resistance.
The shaff is mainly abysian ancestor so also 100% fire proof.
I took even the time to script some fire fend for the few foul spawn presents.

I'm facing Midgard.

Turn 1) i mostly cast my phenix pyre while he s casting Air power.

Turn 2) i eat few thunder strike, taking few loss no problem, but suddenly one of my F mage take a hit and the explosion of the phenix pyre killed everything by successive blow from the neighboring fire mages and their own pyre.
At the end of this turn2 i ve nothing left even troops who had 150% fire resist.

I am missing something ? I've played several times abysia using this spell and don't remember such a result.

RonD · #2 February 13th, 2012, 12:18 PM

Not a bug - working as designed. The Phoenix Pyre blast is an explosion, not a fire. It does physical damage.

You might be able to take solace from the fact that you are hardly the first person to learn this the hard (but spectacular to watch) way.

Knai · #3 February 13th, 2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RonD

Not a bug - working as designed. The Phoenix Pyre blast is an explosion, not a fire. It does physical damage.

You might be able to take solace from the fact that you are hardly the first person to learn this the hard (but spectacular to watch) way.

Basically everyone learns this the hard way. It's a miserable spell if you aren't careful, but if you set things up properly it is absolutely wonderful.

Peter Ebbesen · #4 February 14th, 2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Knai

Basically everyone learns this the hard way. It's a miserable spell if you aren't careful, but if you set things up properly it is absolutely wonderful.

Everybody's favourite when used in conjunction with with the Boots of Calius the druid on an SC.

My absolutely favourite use was on a LA Ermor Master Lich pretender wearing cheap defensive equipment (standard MR, luck, and reinvigoration), that had wished once for power and thus had decent combat stats, when I unleashed him on major attacking army that apart from ~1500 normal troops had SC, thug, priest, and mage support (~90 commanders total), a large portion of the attacking army being living and regenerating from blessing.

Invulnerability, Soul Drain, Phoenix Pyre, Elemental Fortitude, Summon Earthpower, SPELLS.

The Master Lich ended up wiping out ~80% of the opposing army including most of the SCs and commanders at the cost of 7 afflictions.

...Much better than the time I lost a small army of fire casting mages whom the AI chose of its own free will to cast Phoenix Pyre. The agony!

Knai · #5 February 14th, 2012, 10:37 PM

It synchronizes quite well with Soul Drain, really. Soul Drain is one of the more effective re-invigoration methods, and re-invigoration is pretty much key.

Which reminds me: Does the medallion of vengeance trigger every time you die, if you also have Phoenix Pyre up? If it does, it could work quite well.

Bullock · #6 February 15th, 2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Knai

Which reminds me: Does the medallion of vengeance trigger every time you die, if you also have Phoenix Pyre up? If it does, it could work quite well.

Good question ! if both stack it can be very handy

Bullock · #7 February 13th, 2012, 12:26 PM

From the wiki :
The damage is half fire half physical damage Verify

I guess i've made the check

Thanks for such a quick answer RonD

Soyweiser · #8 February 13th, 2012, 01:04 PM

Ow, the verify is there because of the fire part, not the physical part. Wondered how much of it was fire damage.

Yeah, the spell is set up in a way that always costs you at least one major battle

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Olm · #9 February 13th, 2012, 06:04 PM

I thought of this spell for an Ember Lord SC.
Is it worth it, as the Ember Lord will rout anyway if his HP drop below 25%?

Knai · #10 February 14th, 2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Olm

I thought of this spell for an Ember Lord SC.
Is it worth it, as the Ember Lord will rout anyway if his HP drop below 25%?

It's worth it, particularly as the possibility of getting dropped from above 25% to 0% is very real. If they can't fly, there are even several turns in which to do this, plus, if more than one SC is in use it isn't even a problem.