Forge Of the Ancients

GrudgeBringer · #1 March 19th, 2010, 07:31 PM

I personally have never used the Forge of the Ancients and a couple of of us where having a discussion on its use.

We discovered that out of the 3 of us...NONE of us actually had a clue on its use, exactly what it does (the description can be interpreted a number of ways)and if you outgrow its use or would it be worth a wish.

Could someone that uses this mysterious object please enlighten us....

thejeff · #2 March 19th, 2010, 07:49 PM

It's not an object, it's a global, so you can't wish for it. You have to cast it.

It gives you a 50% discount on all forging and all paths your mages have by one for forging.

So, yes it's worth it. In fact, the biggest problem with it is, as with some of the other endgame globals, everyone is going to try to kill you or Dispel it.

GameExtremist · #3 March 19th, 2010, 08:14 PM

Step 1. Have good gem supply
Step 2. Have some Thug templates.
Step 3. Cast Forge of the Ancients.
Step 4. Make Dwarven Hammers (Forge Bonus which stacks with your bonus from FotA) for your designated item forgers.
Step 5. Enjoy making magic items for a fraction of the cost.

Lingchih · #4 March 19th, 2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GameExtremist

Step 1. Have good gem supply
Step 2. Have some Thug templates.
Step 3. Cast Forge of the Ancients.
Step 4. Make Dwarven Hammers (Forge Bonus which stacks with your bonus from FotA) for your designated item forgers.
Step 5. Enjoy making magic items for a fraction of the cost.

Step 6. Die a quick and painful death as everyone else in the game immediately attacks you.

Frozen Lama · #5 March 19th, 2010, 08:27 PM

not always

Lingchih · #6 March 19th, 2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frozen Lama

not always

Sure, If you have an ally, or allies, that are benefitting from the Forge (ie: you are making items cheaply for them), then it becomes viable. Casting it solo is kind of useless.

Redeyes · #7 March 19th, 2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lingchih

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Originally Posted by Frozen Lama

not always

Sure, If you have an ally, or allies, that are benefitting from the Forge (ie: you are making items cheaply for them), then it becomes viable. Casting it solo is kind of useless.

And then there's always the 999 gem casts, though then it only pays for itself in those tremendously large and long games...

Fantomen · #8 March 20th, 2010, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lingchih

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Originally Posted by Frozen Lama

not always

Sure, If you have an ally, or allies, that are benefitting from the Forge (ie: you are making items cheaply for them), then it becomes viable. Casting it solo is kind of useless.

I've found some kinds of situations where it was very viable solo.

If it makes you powerful enough to kill everyone else quickly.

When there is someone else with a massive lead and you are part of the ganging.

As MA atlantis(or some other water nation) when no one is quite ready to go underwater.

Etc... I'm sure there are countless examples of times when it is the right spell to cast.

Ironhawk · #9 March 22nd, 2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fantomen

Etc... I'm sure there are countless examples of times when it is the right spell to cast.

Yeah. I would add another semi-common situation is when you are a minor nation during a war b/w major nations. They basically won't care what you do so long as you dont try and interfere.

thejeff · #10 March 19th, 2010, 08:34 PM

Actually, I'd say:
Step 3: Make dwarven Hammers
Step 4: Cast Forge

You want to make as much as you can in the first couple turns, both to prepare for the onslaught or in case it gets dispelled.
It costs 80 with no extra gems. You'll need to save more than that before it's Dispelled for it to be worth it.