Best MBT of the world 2005 (According to SPMBT)

loktarr · #1 July 18th, 2005, 07:36 PM

I have made some experiment in order to determineate which MBT was the best of the world in SPMBT: it was quite a fair experiment (and a surprising one):
range of engagement: 2500m
each camp was composed of a single company/escadron of 12 or 13 tanks, deployed in a line, the map was a only clear ground map, country trainig of and exp modified for each tank to got every body E/M at 70/70, I tried every "fight" 4 times, the results are:
- Challenger 2 did kill Abraham easily (2 for 1)
- Leclerc did kill Leopard 2A6 Really easily (3 for 1)
- Merkava did kill T-90 without any loses but hardly
When I tried Challenger vs Leclerc, Leclerc did win,
but was killed without loses by the Merkava...
Conclusions:
- Without any better caracteristics, Leclerc did kill Leo and Challenger...
I didn't understand how since I descovered his size is of 4, and I believe it makes him hit less and gives him superiority at great ranges...
- General armor of the Merkava is not so high (T:80, Hull:74(?))and is gun is not very good (120L44-> pen : 90), but in fact I realised that every kill was made from a hull hit in those modern MBTs , so at great distances, merkava is really hard (and quite impossible) to destroy... I'not sure his hull armor is so high but didn't find any numbers on that contrary to Abraham and Leopard A6... It would made him a really heavy tank...
Seems also random is quite good but can do some funny things, I could show it with my precise results if you want...

danstudentvcc · #2 July 18th, 2005, 11:50 PM

There is no doubt.
The trained crews and tanks of the Israeli forces are among the best.
Their need for such is quite great as well.
No doubt they are among the best motivated as well.

Naturally this would extend to their Air Force; National Security Forces; Intelligence gathering; and across the board, their soldiers as well.

Gus
danstudentvcc

loktarr · #3 July 19th, 2005, 04:44 AM

Yes, no doubt, war is the best training...

loktarr · #4 July 19th, 2005, 07:37 AM

Small precision, it was M1A2 SEP tanks...

SCAJolly · #5 July 19th, 2005, 09:54 AM

Do remember, all training was set to the same level.

The equipment was tested here, not the soldiers.

loktarr · #6 July 19th, 2005, 10:16 AM

That's perfectly right...

Firestorm · #7 October 12th, 2012, 07:54 PM

For future reference, absolutely everything I say is sarcasm unless indicated otherwise.

From my understanding, one big disadvantage of the Abrams is that its exhaust system belches so much heat that support troops can't adequately, um, support it lest they be cooked alive (ERA-equipped tanks have a similar problem, being dangerous to friendly crunchies).

One big advantage of the Merkava is that you can pack your own ATGM crew inside it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danstudentvcc

There is no doubt.
The trained crews and tanks of the Israeli forces are among the best.
Their need for such is quite great as well.
No doubt they are among the best motivated as well.

Naturally this would extend to their Air Force; National Security Forces; Intelligence gathering; and across the board, their soldiers as well.

Gus
danstudentvcc

Well... their navy is unremarkable. But then again,
1. It ain't quite Abdullah ibn Saad whom they'll potentially be facing at sea
2. When you don't plan on fighting on other landmasses, and when you already have an air force like theirs, a navy is almost ceremonial.

Paderborn · #8 April 30th, 2012, 11:43 AM

I enjoyed reading your test of the world's main battle tanks. I've conducted a similar test in that I've placed equal numbers of opposing tanks on a "clean" battlefield with absolutely flat ground with no trees or obstructions and with all other factors as equal as possible. Computer control for both sides. In my results the M1A2 SEP Abrams edged out the Challenger 2 second with the Leopard 2A6-EX next and finally the LeClerc. I did not set up any contests between Western and non-western MBTs though I plan on doing so. One other thing. Obviously my tests included armor protection, gun power, FC, mobility and so on as variables. I conducted this test a while back and plan on repeating it but with some more recent models such as the Leopard 2A7+ and it's contemporaries. Anyway. Thanks for the test results, podktar. Good stuff!