Aliance encouraging mod

[Wolfman77]

Has anyone made a mod that encourages alliances and makes it nearly imposible to win if you don't? Maybe by reducing production and reserch to a very low level and increasing the amount recieved by trade to a very high percent?

[Suicide Junkie]

If you have an alliance, it is already quite powerful.

You should realize that no mod can make it "impossible to win" without an alliance.
You can always take on somebody your own size, or smaller.

Even in stock, though, alliances are significantly stronger than the sum of their parts.


Perhaps you mean a mod which makes it easier for allied players to attack and defend together?

Carrier Battles mod has relatively slow damage in combat, which means that as long as both players' forces are in the sector at the same time, they should fight very effectively together.

[Wolfman77]

Thanks I'll try that one out. I was thinking more along the line of having 90% or so of your resources from trade. That way If you didn't ally with anyone you would stand very little chance against anyone who did have one or more alliances. Also if you were only allied with one other empire, and they cut ties with you it could wreak havoc on your ability to even maintain your fleet. I have no idea how this would turn out but I might give it as try and see what happens.

I should note however that I have no experience against other people, and an aliance with the AI is usually only good to keep them from attacking your colony ships while you colonize their systems at the begining of the game. This might change that, though I don't know how the AI will do with this. They seem to always make treaties with each other though.

[Suicide Junkie]

That would require a 900% maximum trade level, and would take 900 turns of solid alliance to achieve.

It would be quite possible for two players who ally right from the start to specialize...
One player could colonize everything and have a race with massive resource, research and SY bonuses, while the other takes massive combat and maintenance bonuses.

Player 2 would no economy except the trade profits, but be incredibly deadly in combat by using player 1's ships.
Player 1 would have a powerful economy, protected by player 2's combat skills.

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I suppose you could also make a mod where critical technologies are restricted by racial tech.
Each race would only be able to choose one, and would have to trade with the others to get their basics.

EG: Resource extraction facilities, ship construction, and research/intel.
Race A would trade resources to Race B for ships.
Race B would trade ships to race A so they could build and maintain a fleet.
Both would trade with race C for research and intel points.

In that way, each race would be nearly helpless on its own, and having those "alliances" set up would be 90% of your strength.

[Wolfman77]

Thanks those are some great ideas for what I was thinking about. I looked last night at the settings file and saw that I couldn't change the per turn increase for trade like I wanted to. Seems its hard coded at 1%. Just means I'll try a different way of doing it. I could even separate the 3 resources so you could, for example, trade minerals that you are good at mining for organics that you can't grow much of.

The only downside I can think of is having to constantly ask for or send things to other empires.

Thanks again for the kickstart, I have a few ideas now.

[Ed Kolis]

Wolfman77 said:
The only downside I can think of is having to constantly ask for or send things to other empires.

In SJ's Carrier Battles Mod, there are cheap intel projects which at least take care of the sending aspect of such trade...