The most complex game?

[quantum_mechani]

Few games (especially non-strategy ones) come close to Dominions in complexity. Still, I think Alpha Centauri, ADOM and perhaps Moo3(whatever else is wrong with it) all have about the same level of complexity. What does everyone else rate as the most complex game?

[Lord Hammer]

Other than those mentioned: UFO X-COM Apocalypse .Of course, i've played MANY wargames that take 1-2 hours a turn but those are/should be classified differently IMHO.

[ January 08, 2004, 19:42: Message edited by: Lord Hammer ]

[Taqwus]

I'd rate it as more complicated than SMAC, which had a very simple combat system and relatively limited resource management and fewer options (e.g. in Dominions, there's a balance to draw between taxes, conventional power, blood slave gathering, research, item forging, global enchantments, gems for combat magic, rituals). SMAC units were, relatively speaking, quite constrained in what they could spend their time doing, and unit interaction was minimal because of the 1-vs-1 non-tactical combat system.
Among games I've played, _Empires in Arms_ might be the only game of similar complexity. For a board wargame, it's quite complicated.

[Thilock_Dominus]

Daggerfall and Morrowind I think come close, but they are neverending RPGs and hardly to compare with strategi games. Moo3 and Space Empire IV are also a good to be on the top of complexity. Does anyone know the old Dos game called 'Sword Of Aragon'? That's a game I could play over and over again and have some similarities to Dominions 2. Not to menshion(sp?) Master Of Magic!

[ January 08, 2004, 20:25: Message edited by: Thilock_Dominus ]

[Arralen]

I would mention Harpoon 3, but it's a simulation, not a game.

SMAC/X is simple compared to DOM, and Moo3 would only come close if the AI wasn't ment to do most things on it's own.
(Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, as it reduced micromanagement when playing on BIG maps. Sadly it doesn't work well, so you can't ever know what really happens in yor empire and why...)

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[ January 08, 2004, 20:16: Message edited by: Arralen ]

[quantum_mechani]

Originally posted by Taqwus:
and relatively limited resource management and fewer options

I have to disagree, IMO Alpha Centaouri's economic side is far ahead of most games(with it's multitude of terraforming options).
SMAC to this day has the best (with most options) diplomacy that I've seen. You're probably right though, that SMAC's biggest shortcoming is its tactical system, which is why I play Dominions .