Beating Organics in Normal Game

Griffin Cloud · #1 March 1st, 2004, 03:07 AM

I know there have been alot of Posts about this but I would like to know a specific something. I started a game with all techs for all players unlocked. Unfortunately I was playing against an organics player and the first thing they did was to open a warp point to my homeworld and send in a dreadnought. Well I had already set up defense (starbase, wplatform, and planet shields) so I built a dreadnought as well while they pounded my other colonies. I was playing temporal tech so I figured "Hey shield and armor skipping weapons!" Yet when I went in to fight them they completely owned me! I don't think I even moved their red bar back 10 places before they wasted me! For some reason the advanced organics weapons were hitting for 200-300 while my most advanced shield/armor skippers were only hitting for 60-120. I still don't get how organics is that powerful? They completely destroyed my whole empire with one dreadnought (except my starbase which had so many seekers on it was ridiculous). Does anyone know how to combat this using temporal tech tree or crystallurgy (my Favorites)???????

Thanks for help,
Griffin Cloud

Fyron · #2 March 1st, 2004, 03:11 AM

Temporal Shifters and Null - Space Projectors have low damage values because they do not need to do a lot of damage. All of those hit points from shielding and armor are wasted against them. However, they do have slow rates of fire. So, in a one on one combat, it is quite possible that the ship armed with regular weapons will win against the ship armed with Temporal Shifters. Temporal Shifters and Null - Space Projectors are more of a support weapon than a good main weapon for your fleets.

Baron Grazic · #3 March 1st, 2004, 03:13 AM

Welcome to the forums.
Personally I would have done the same thing as you, gone for Armor & Shield skipping weapons.
Could it be that you are not using Weapon Mounts?
The difference between a standard weapon and a Heavy weapon on a Dreadnaught can be a lot.
When creating your ships, look at the 'Weapon Mount' button on the top right.

Edit - Dam - IF beat me.

[ March 01, 2004, 01:14: Message edited by: Baron Grazic ]

Griffin Cloud · #4 March 1st, 2004, 03:18 AM

I am only playing the normal CD Version of the game and it doesn't come with weapon mounts I don't think? I looked and it only said normal mounts? OH well, I would still like to know how the heck the organics weps were hitting me for 300 each. 7 weapons X 300 each = 2100 dmg each turn lol!

Baron Grazic · #5 March 1st, 2004, 03:22 AM

It sounds like you were building a small ship. Any ship larger than a Light Cruiser will be able to have mounts.
Create a Dreadnaught Hull, and you should have Large & Heavy weapon mounts. Massive Mounts can be built on BaseShips.

Grandpa Kim · #6 March 1st, 2004, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by Griffin Cloud:
I am only playing the normal CD Version of the game and it doesn't come with weapon mounts I don't think? I looked and it only said normal mounts? OH well, I would still like to know how the heck the organics weps were hitting me for 300 each. 7 weapons X 300 each = 2100 dmg each turn lol!

Yes, it most definitely comes with larger mounts and that damage he's delivering sounds about right for a dreadnaught with Heavy mounts on the top level acid weapon. Your temporal shifter should be giving you similar numbers with the heavy mount.

Other factors may be involved like combat sensors and ECM and ship and fleet training. If you don't have these and he does, you'll be lucky to hit him at all.

Good luck and welcome to the Boards. Keep the questions coming; we'll be here.