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Originally Posted by Kobal2
Fog Warriors is a level *7* spell. That's 1760 research points (need Thaum 1 too) if they beeline for it. BR Ulm can have its two go-to spells in 400. You said you expected Pythium to have double the research rate ? They'd still only be halfway to FW, with almost nothing to show for it on the field. Yay Phantasmal Army ! Aren't Ghost Wolves just da bomb ?
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What exactly do you think it go-to spells are that they can have them in 400RP?
Full army Legions of Steel is a mild improvement over regular legions of steel. And unlike CBM Ulm, BR Ulm has to actually research it and spend gems on it. (Usually 2e per cast, in fact, until they can get conjuration 3). I refuse to believe that paying gems for legion of steel on the full army and at a higher research level is broken.
So, that's 200 of those 400 RPs... Iron Darts for the other 200? Which is ok, i suppose. Its no Iron Blizzard. Its sort of like hiring 10 crossbows.
Neither of those are spells that people were complaining about (except now you), and I really don't think either of them are broken.
Pythium's tower shields basically negate iron darts. So now we just have to deal with cutting through heavy armor on 800 RP. Even lightning bolts (100RP!) will handle that, but we could also forge Spirit Helms and Bows of Lightning, use Thunderstrike (360RP) even with communions (40RP), and so on.
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Yes, Ulm has tower shields. But its troops that actually do damage don't. The stuff people seem to be going to - Guardians, Black Plate Flails - these don't have shields at all. A fire arrows rush would also be pretty devastating against them.
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I might point out that Ulm's antimagic equivalent, in addition to costing an earth gem, also requires an E3H1 mage to cast. It may deserve to move up to Enchantment 4 to be at the same tier as regular antimagic.
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Advantages of CBM Ulm right now:
-2 base encumbrance
-Army-wide Legion of Steel with no research and no gem cost
-Forge of Ulm
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Regarding Heroes specifically:
Its turn 33. I just got my first level 6 research accomplished. Besides that I have level 3 in two paths, and some scattered lower research. That's ~1800RP.
I've had Conj 9 / Construction 8 before turn 33 in a different game. Which is like 7k RPs.
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Anyway, the next version of Ulm BR is going to nerf its PD some, probably quite a bit. It will probably also remove at least one of vanilla Ulm's spells from them entirely (Iron Angels have to go, they're thematically awful).