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Old January 26th, 2012, 04:20 PM

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Default Re: Ulm: Order of the Black Rose v0.301b

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Originally Posted by Mightypeon View Post
To my suprise (my goal was to stop them from moving), my 80ish black plates with I think 12 Mages totally and utterly murdered the principes suffering only very slight casulties, and, despite having no gems left, inflicted severe casulties on Mictlans sallying army too.
In this battle, I was using the MR and the Armour buff, further increasign S with strength of giants and otherwise relyign on destruction and Iron Blizzard. I had nearly no casulties from Principes, and these not exactly bad troops more or less melted upon impact.
Again, some, if not much, of your success is because of your forethought, diplomacy and cunning. That is undeniable and laudable; cheers to a superior opponent and his well earned victory! But the reason this conversation is relevant to this thread is whether or not the rest of your success was because Black Rose Ulm is, or is not, too strong. During our conflict I was utterly unable to find anything to face you with in the field. Sure I was able to make life a bit more difficult for you logistically, and I like to think the mind hunts and scores of seeking arrows hurt at least a little, but the fact remains that I was never able to muster an army which could ever do meaningful damage to your troops in the field when they were adequately supported by your battlefield-boosting commanders. Regardless of scripting, regardless of placement... defeat.

Yes, superior Ulmish troops with adequate magic support will make an almost unlimited number of principes vanish into a fine red mist. That isn't a point under contention, nor even the larger point of this discussion. What could I have done to actually have faced off against your forces? If the answer to that is "not much" or "not much without first researching [high level stuff here]" then we should take this as a sign that Black Rose Ulm is imbalanced. If the answer is instead "oh, just spam [reasonable research goal here]", "fight around my main army with [reasonably cost-equivalent army and/or summons] until my economy collapses", or something similar then we can see that my defeat is due to my own shortcomings and not because of anything wrong with Squirrelloid's mod.

So, again, what could I have done to actually blunted your invasion? Where our roles reversed, what would you, MightyPeon, have done as Pythium facing the steel avalanche of Black Rose Ulm?
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