I'm not sure I'm following you.
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Originally Posted by thejeff
I still maintain the fundamental problem with Tartarians is the afflictions. More specifically, that at most two nations can heal the afflictions.
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Which nations?- AFAIK only GoH and chalice can heal undead.
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Originally Posted by thejeff
If you price them for those nations, then they're too expensive for everyone else. If you price them for everyone else, those two get hordes of cheap SCs. Removing the afflictions would be the best solution, but I don't think that's possible.
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The afflictions are not that bad. Even feeblemind are comparable and better than say Ettin.
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Originally Posted by thejeff
I actually think the GoR change makes it worse. Previously boosting the cost of GoR allowed you to change the cost of only the useful tarts. Whoever had GoR or the Chalice could heal them all and GoR as many as they could afford, but other nations could summon them, but only GoR the non-feebleminded ones, lowering their cost per useful tart.
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I disagree. GoR gave you much much more ROI in terms of diversity even w/o chalice. In-fact I made it a habit not to rush for chalice and not squabble over GoH. In two games that I won I summoned many tarts and just GoRed some to get lots of good stuff.
The chalice is a different matter. I agree that it's problematic. I agree it should be seriously increase price and requirement raised. The main stream tart strat. should be optimal w/o it. Only players that would choose (and pay for) being able to forge it will benefit from it (but pay for it in pretender design and # turns to RoI huge chalice investment)
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Originally Posted by thejeff
Now the cost is the same, but without Chalice/GoH you get roughly a quarter as many useful ones.
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My point. They are still good. Just lower crazy factor and up price a bit.
If they could be made unhealable then it would be perfect.