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Originally Posted by Edi
Well, to get back to some of the stuff earlier in the thread, where someone asked about an edited version is anyone interested in a Piecemeal Edition of this CBM?
I did a Piecemeal CBM 1.6 and it would not be such a chore to split the 1.8 up to various components that can then be mixed and matched (including versions of items with gemgens enabled normally and one where they are artifact level).
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Not right now at least--there are some major bugs that need to be dealt with first. Also a fair amount of 1.81 is rebalancing items in an environment where there are no hammers, so it's very unclear what parts would be appropriate to separate out.
So it seems like the Tartarian change is simply a matter of degree--and it appears that further testing in MP is the only way to tell if C'tis for example is truly "too weak" lategame because of the more or less doubling in cost of Tartarians. They're normally what, 10 death 15 nature, two mage turns? Now they're ~50 death(10 gems per cast), ~5 mage turns, but you get 4 non-commander meatshields/false targets too. If it's simply that Tarts are inferior to some of the EDM summons...that's fairly easily fixable.
Similarly, I haven't really heard a convincing argument about SDRs other than that Vanheim(and maybe Jotunheim) got the short end of the stick. I think all the other nations were either not affected too badly(it slowed their momentum, but the removal of hammers and gem gens slowed everyone else's too so it's relatively unnoticed) or were already so powerful that a slowdown of their blood production was welcome. So maybe Van's commanders need to be cheaper to compensate...again some more multiplayer games with Vanheim need to happen to see how bad the damage is, especially since they can summon Asynjyas instead of *needing* to go Blood for endgame.
In my view it isn't so much that hammers are a gemgen or not, it's simply that they restrict player choices. Everyone has to obtain access to hammers or be at a rather large disadvantage. This tended to restrict options, especially pretender choice. CBM is about creating flexibility of strategy. People tended not to take Dom-10 Wyrms because they knew they would be screwed over by not having hammers(and it's still not the best idea in the world for most nations, but it's more viable). Yes, the change reduces complexity, but most of that complexity is in the form of micromanagement. There's enough micromanagement and ability to optimize still in the game that I'm not aching for more. I feel no need to spend 5 more minutes every turn juggling around which mages have hammers--I already have to do that with boosters, and I'd rather be able to spend my time scripting my armies or setting up a raiding squad.