SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game
 

We're playing a water heavy map, so we need a minimum of 3 water nations in this game! The advantages are rather obvious: darling, it's better down where it's wetter. Take it from me.

The game is for newbs using the definition of under 10 MP games played. There are no rules, if someone does something stupid like copying bogus orders or blah blah the list goes on and on, we gangbang them. Simple!

Here's a pretty picture (the map is wrap-around):
http://i.imgur.com/hCBve.png

Mods:
Single Age Mod
Llama's Streamers and Standards
CBM 1.83
CPCS 0.94 (for info, see the CPCS thread, my version should have most spelling errors fixed and makes no changes to the actual spells besides a single bugfix)

Info:
Host: Gandalf's server (game.dom3minions.com), direct connect
Port: I'll PM it, make sure your PMs are enabled!
Map: Galadia 2
Players: 14

Settings:
36-72(+?) hour quickhost (discuss)
35 magic site frequency
Score graphs off
No nation info (can't read pretender names and titles in statistics)
Renaming on
15 Hall of Fame entries
Everything else default

Players:
iRFNA - MA Man
Thanatus del Dragos - LA Jomon - AI
lwarmonger - MA Ulm
Admiral_Aorta - LA Atlantis - AI
Echodyne - EA Ermor - AI
NaivePhilosopher - EA Atlantis - DEAD
Technomancer - MA Marignon - DEAD
Numahr - MA Shinuyama
Soyweiser - MA Bandar Log - DEAD
SKYNET - LA Ermor - DEAD
bbz - EA Maverni
Admiral_Aorta - EA Caelum
Quell - MA R'lyeh
Ragabash - EA Yomi - AI



If you want to quit mid-game for whatever reason, please allow me to find a sub! Just post and say you're done! Having someone stale out or spontaneously go AI really sucks! It's ok if you're losing and want to quit, just say so in this thread and let me find a sub!!!

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I'll take Jomon.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

You're gonna have a lot of fun with those crosspath spells

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I'd like to play MA Ulm. Try boxing me in now iRFNA!

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I'll take LA Atlantis. Does that count as one of the three water nations or not?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I would argue not, since you don't start in the water.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Yeah I thought so, but I thought I'd ask anyway. :)

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

It's more important to me that all your troops are (fully, not partially) amphibious than where you start, but I do admit that LA atlantis is a gray area as far as "water nation" is concerned. I think it's good enough to count, though.

As much as I'd like to try out my altered MA man strat, I think I'm gonna mix things up and go MA pangaea. Gah, or maybe not.. I just don't know

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

You should go with Pangaea and flood the world with frenzied naked women.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

That's what I was going to do, but the micro.. dear god, the micro

That, and wrathful skies

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Lovely game, wish I qualifed as a newb. Is that map big enough for 15?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

217 provs / 15 players ~= 14.5 provs per player

The "under 10 games" thing isn't some sort of hard cap, honestly.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

1st REAL attempt at MP:

I would love to jump in as EA Ermor.

Quick question: your crosspath spell file is .rar? Is that right? How do I get it to run?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

It's an archive, like .zip. If you don't have a program that can open it, try using winrar.

I just assumed all the typical programs supported .rar anymore, but I guess there are still some stragglers. I will attach .zip versions to the OP in case that is easier for you. Here they are:

Galadia 2
CPCS 0.93+

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Well, since we seem to be assembling a large fraction of that old gang again, I figure I'll toss my hat into the ring. Though at this rate we'll quickly run ourselves out of newbie games (This one'll put me at 5, counting subs.)

I'd like to give EA Atlantis a shot; we need the water nations and I haven't actually played one yet in SP or MP, so it should be a good learning experience.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

First mp game, and I'm rather... well, I have a lot of learning to do. Figure this might be as good a place as any to start.

MA Marignon, if you please.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I'm a bit on the edge regarding # of games (9), but still OK if we consider # of games actually completed and those where I have met an unfortunate end early on.

I would like to try MA Tien Chi in this plane. This nation has been allegedly nerfed by the unique hammers making boosters more expansive, but should be a nice laboratory for cross-path spells I guess. So let's see!

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Please no more than 48 hour turns, except in rare cases.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

[quote=Numahr;773241]I would like to try MA Tien Chi in this plane. QUOTE]

OK after some tests, I realize I am not very well comfortable with TC, so I'd rather pick MA Shinumaya

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

As my lankan adventure is almost over. I would like to join this one as MA Bandar Log.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

LA Ermor, please.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Just when I thought we'd be free from the undead hordes...

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

What if I told you we were the undead hordes of pacifism?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

In that case, I'd leave any borders between our nations completely unguarded. It's nice to know the undead are so kind! It makes sense, too. It's not like they get any enjoyment out of pillaging and raping the countryside, so why bother?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

You're right, it's not enjoyable at all. Being mindless will do that. On the flip side, we don't get any enjoyment out of puppies or rainbows, either. It's kind of depressing, except not, because of that whole no emotions thing I just got done explaining.

:|

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Count me in as EA Hinnom.
Unless the slot for bandar log gets free:D

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Actually I'll change my mind I will go as EA Marverni.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Perhaps it's just bad luck on my part, but I was testing out the map/settings/my nation and I'm on turn, oh, I don't even know. And you know how many sites I've found? Pidly. I'm averaging about 1 site per 3 provinces. Perhaps we should up the site frequency to 40?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I noticed in NewbsGoneWild that sites were a bit hard to come by, but there were still quite a few. I even got a conjuration bonus site.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Also, apparently I can't cast Gift of Reason on undead units (that's what it says), but it works perfectly fine on my normal undead units, just not Tarts. :re:

How am I supposed to get commander tarts, besides the tarts that start out as commanders?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

You're not, that's the point of the nerf. Although I'm not sure if it not affecting other undead is a bug or not.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I like 35 magic site freq, it keeps magic gems from getting too out of hand. You got unlucky, but it can still happen in the MP game. There's still plenty of sites to forge equipment and such, quell proved that in newbsgonewild :(

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I think we should define random starting locations. All maps either include them or someone adds them to avoid unbalanced starting locations and give every one more or less even chances to expand.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

How balanced is balanced enough? I currently have the map setup so all starting locations have at least 3 adjacent provs of the same type (land for land, sea for sea). The "docks" provs are also all set to not be starting locations, since they are such critical chokepoints. I could also remove starts from provs with over, say, 5 adjacent provs.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Adjacent provinces is one thing; distance between nations is an even more important factor, that can only be dealt with through defined random starting locations.

The process is very easy to do and I can volunteer for it. Since I am a player, I would post starting locations here for the sake of transparancy. Of course ideally, an external player would do it, like it happens with Calahan's newbee games, where Calahan defines starting locations without players knowing where are others' starting locations. Maybe you can ask one of the community "leaders"?

I am perfectly fine with no defined random locations though if admin / other players prefer it this way :)

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I didn't run into any problems the last 2 games concerning starting locations, but it really depends on what everyone wants. What does anyone else think?

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

In n00bsOfDoom, 3 players started right next to one another (myself included) while another 3 had ample room to expand.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Ew, the game actually lets people start in adjacent provs?

I'll edit the map so there are spaced out random start locs for 15ish (a bit more, just for proper land/water # of nations buffering) players, starting right next to someone would be ridiculous.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Allow me to redefine right next to each other: Within 2 provinces of each other, so capital independent independent capital. Still annoying though when it's 3 people like that and 3, well, not.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

I do recommend that you not make swamps/wastes nostart, except for the middles of large clusters of them. swamp and waste make fine caps, but starting surrounded by them is deadly.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

This is exactly what I mean by imbalance, this has a deep effect you do not see in the first 5 turns, but later in the game. Nations who are far from other can continue expanding against indies late into year 2 while others are forced to enter in early competition for land early one. This is what I propose to eliminate by an even distribution of capitals all over the map with roughly the same area in between them.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

It's just occurred to me that Bogarus didn't seem to have many close neighbors in NewbsGoneWild, whereas Man and C'tis were quite close to each other. That might not be the case though.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

From what I know of random starts and map balancing (and I've done a lot of the latter to have a fairly good idea), starts that are randomly generated for a map will try (if there is space) to ensure that capitals are at least two provinces apart. But it won't make any attempt to space them out.

eg. A 26 province straight line map (provinces named in order A-Z) could see start locations at A, D, G etc, but not A, C, E. But if four players were on the map, you could easily get highly unbalanced start locations such as A, D, G and Z. (since as I say, the random start algorithm makes no attempt to "space out" starting locations. Or at least not that I've ever seen)

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

ps, if no other players want to play water nations, I'm willing to switch to LA R'lyeh. So far I have not been able to do anything with them even in SP. So that should not be to OP.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

then I am willing to switch to bandar log:D lol(sorry that I change my choice so often but the monkeys have always been my first choice)That is of course of Soyweiser decides to change to R'lyeh.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Only if there are no other UW nations. la rlyeh just gets steamrolled if there are other underwater nations. And MA rlyeh is a bit boring.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

yep:) otherwise I'm staying with Marverni.

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Well, this game needs 3 UW nations because of the map, so I guess that makes the choice for you!

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

hmm didnt you say that you'd count LA Atlantis as a water nation?:)

Re: SeaOfInnocence - All ages newb game [Recruiting]
 

Ya, it also makes it easier with LA ermor, them being somewhat watery. So we only need one more water nation.