MBT's

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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH

Yep, the Germans and French are going to try again to jointly develop an MBT together to replace the LEOPARD 2 and LECLERC tanks. The last attempt was unsuccessful leading to the separate development of the LEOPARD and for France the interim AMX-30/AMX-30B2 BRENNUS and eventually LECLERC.

Given their history of cooperation I'd bet on another unsuccessful joint venture.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Strictly the News here...well probably anyway...

ALGERIA: Making those T-90S tanks...
http://rbth.com/news/2015/02/20/cont...ned_43883.html

FRANCE: What will allow me to fix the LECLERC in the French OOB this site provided the "missing link" to connect the dots and make the vision issue much clearer. And a little JANE's to bring it up to date never hurts either.
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/NE...56_Leclerc.php
http://www.janes.com/article/49928/f...illion-upgrade

GERMANY: Not liking what they see in the East say, We want a 100 more on the line...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...rd_2_mbts.html

ISRAEL: Making sure they stay in the field...
http://www.janes.com/article/50053/i...component-orders

PAKISTAN: Looking to China again for an MBT to keep up with India...TRACKING...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...ttle_tank.html

POLAND: Poland to restart the LEOPARD 2PL program again, see what Russia started? This was a dead program after the purchase of their newest LEOPARD's this past year. Of note Poland is very active in the Ukraine currently...TRACKING...
http://www.janes.com/article/49119/p...rade-programme

RUSSIA: "Go East T-72B3", Russia continues it's deployment to the Eastern Military District to modernize it's armor there.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...tle_tanks.html
But what's good for the East is also good for the West...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...tle_tanks.html

THAILAND: The Ukraine's T-84 OPLOT-M tanks keep rolling in...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...delivered.html

TURKEY/INDONESIA: They are to unveil a joint venture Med. MBT later this year...TRACKING...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...270420153.html

UKRAINE: Ukraine to bring back into service the T-72 in a NATO standard model speculation is it'll be similar to Poland's PT-91. It should be more advanced though given Ukraine's technological advances in the last few years as posted in this thread...TRACKING THIS AND THE NEXT...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...standards.html
And let's not forget the T-64B...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...nian_army.html

UK: Says "yes we still can..."
http://www.janes.com/article/50131/b...-deployability

U.S.: The M1A2 SEP 2 conversions to continue...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru...iguration.html

This concludes the All World OOB view one Country and OOB at a time.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Don,
If it's not too much of an inconvenience, I would be interested to know when the Italian ARIETE MBT was entered into the game. I'm trying to get a "sense" of what drove the submissions at the time. My concerns are:
1. Looks like fielding date needs to be shifted to the right by two years.

2. There was no further development of the ARIETE MBT after the ARIETE C1. Due to many factors including economic, the ARIETE tanks never took the next steps in development of the type. However as I posted in this thread 3-4 (The "vision" list.) years ago I felt I have the data to support a TI/GSR 45 and MAYBE 50.
My plan is to A) Modify one of the current C1+/C2 tanks with the improved TI/GSR. B) Keep the most advanced C2 MBT, update the TI/GSR to 50 and recommend putting it in slot 999/or the "safe" until/if Italy comes up with the funding by this games last patch input in 2021 to release it for use. C) And finally, submit all other ARIETE C1+ and C2 tanks for deletion.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ariete/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/ariete.htm
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/mo...Ariete-MBT.php
http://www.armyrecognition.com/italy...tificatio.html

Though the last is in French, there is no mention of any other "C" type and none is listed in the "variants" section.

3. Related to the above and for FYI, the Italians are doing what say Poland and some others, by maintaining a respectable heavy
armor presence but relying on lighter armored anti tank platforms such as the CENTAURO. The news here is that the CENTAURO this month has started field tests with a 120mm SB 45 Cal. MG the turret can also carry the 105mm RG 51 Cal. MG as well. It will presented to the Army in the fall.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...e_2705151.html

Off to the rack...good night...and again enjoy the rest of your weekends!

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Pat ,I have NO IDEA what "Looks like fielding date needs to be shifted to the right by two years" is supposed to mean so just tell me clearly what needs to be changed and why and I will look into it. Open up the Italian OOB with MOBHack and find the unit numbers of the one you want removed or altered

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I'm not going to piecemeal these items I'm working, was just curious is all how the tanks got in with the current dates. However, after looking further into to it, the answer simply is it got put in at least two years earlier then the Italian Army took delivery of the first ARIETE sometime in 1995 as corroborated by the refs., I posted in the last thread. I need to figure out what month in 1995 they got their first tank to determine a more realistic (Could be as late as 1996.) start date than the current one of 1993. This is simply a case as we've dealt with out here too many times, of someone submitting a piece of equipment, years before a country fielded/made operation that piece of equipment.
So please I got this and I'll finish it in my usual manner to minimize your work at your end. As you can see this still needs fine tuning and was something that's been on my list to work for at least the last two++ years now.
This provided a little more detail as to what happened then the others on the upper right of the page when opened...
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/mo...Ariete-MBT.php

I'll be more careful to rephrase my questions in the future, trust me right now we don't need this, life strikes again.

Enjoy your weekend.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

Pat, the start date for the Ariete C1 in the latest OOB's is 3/1998 not 1993 so you see my confusion?? However 3/98 shifted back two years would be 1996.

What's the OOB date on your INFO tab ? ....should be May 2015


EDIT- Just checked OOBs back to windows Ver 1 ..... the Ariete C1 has never been 1993 start date. It started out 1/98 then it was adjusted to the 3/98 we have now sometime between V1 and V3.5 and your are correct "right now we don't need this"......but here we are.

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

How to turn an "8" into a "3" and make yourself look like an *** ...
1. Stand a post in SE Ga. in around 100 degree temp & 95% humidity for over eight hours.

2. Wear a certain garment that's guaranteed to raise your core temp by another 10-15 degrees and somehow make you feel heavier.

3. Have a small glass of CINCLANTHOME's fresh made iced green tea and mint at ~1:30am.

4. Feel like you got a second wind after catching yourself doing the newly popular 80's/90's "head bob" and trying to post at 4am.

My apologies...We'll need to get it to them changed for around 2 to 3 years earlier. Forgot about the C3 and others in the OOB. I'll take a look at them as the best and latest version would probably be the one to hold onto if any future development is done on the C1.

I gotta get ready for work!! Again sorry for the mess!! Hopefully I would've caught it when work started in earnest, but thank you for pointing it out.

Regards,
Pat

[DRG]

sounds like "fun"

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

I've said it before, if your not looking here first your missing out. They struck first again, this tank is already on my list and it looks like I reported (And others on the web.) on it before it became declassified this year and recently. No wonder someone out here couldn't answer my questions on it awhile back, he couldn't. It apparently had the ultimate camouflage and was kept secret for thirty years. The timeline certainly makes sense as compared to what I found out about the TAMMUZ /SPIKE NLOS that's mounted on the M113 APC.
I'm just glad the MOSSAD didn't come knocking on my door!?!
Gotta go back to work so...
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/pere.htm

Always has been my first look "build" from site. Now I have a very good start point.

Regards,
Pat

[FASTBOAT TOUGH]

Posted some Win 10 issues in that thread. Started to recover my source websites and came across this for you...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/augus...s_in_2016.html

If this holds we'll be likely looking at late 2017/early2018 again if this holds.

Regards,
Pat