oooo aaron! - looks like moo3 is flopping... ;) do se5 faster?

Cirvol · #1 February 27th, 2003, 05:27 PM

http://www.ina-community.com/forums/...hreadid=267505

thats a thread about many new moo3 owners that are dissatisfied - you all might want to point them to se4gold

anyway, i'd like to know what you all think?

geoschmo · #2 February 27th, 2003, 06:01 PM

I never played MOO or MOO2. I read this guys rant and some other Posts on the thread. My impression is that it's no worse then some of the complaints that SE4 generated, especially form some of the diehard SE3 fans back in the early days. It's hard to mke the case that the game is flopping based on this guys opinion. There are plenty of Posts on that forum saying how much they like the game too.

I haven't decided yet if I am gonna try it. I'll probably just wait for SE5.

One thing that I do think is interesting. In all the Posts I read on that forum, people do lots of comparing between MOO and other 4x game like Galactic Civ, Alpha Centauri, and others. But I never see anyone mention Space Empires. Are we that much of a niche game that other niche gamers don't even know who we are?

Geoschmo

[ February 27, 2003, 16:02: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Ruatha · #3 February 27th, 2003, 06:05 PM

Yepp. Other gamers don't know of SE4.
I've played Moo and Moo2 and will get Moo3 soon.
I played VGA Planets a couple of years and tried SE2 but thought it was bad.
Never heard of SE3 or SE4 until a friend who had found a review at some obscure site pointed me in this direction.

With a good PR it could sell alot more. But that would cost alot, so I'm not sure there would be any profit left though?

Cirvol · #4 February 27th, 2003, 06:08 PM

unfortunately, yes... se4 is a niche

there was never a store release
(which, today is better than even a year ago)

but still bad imho - aaron / malf. needs to call up eb and see if they can get some copies put onto shelves with 'new release' stickers and maybe a follow up review on game review sites that have just finished doing moo3 reviews

(hrm, should i be running malf?

- they should call me for consulting work or sumsuch)

Aloofi · #5 February 27th, 2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
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thats a thread about many new moo3 owners that are dissatisfied - you all might want to point them to se4gold

anyway, i'd like to know what you all think?

Think about what? MOO3?
I'm not buying, I'm happy with the Proportioned SE4.
Right now I'm blockading a Homeworld I can't take by assault. My fleet is in orbit, but I don't dare to get within range of the 60! weapons platforms defending the planet. The AI have out researched me and its bring out a new generation of Medium Fighters while my obsolete fighters can't hold the tide. I have a Shipyard ship on route to retrofit my fleet with top of the line Point Defense Cannons, and I have 3 large transports loaded with obsolete but still efective Armored Divisions (small troops) and some 300 000 Infantry ready to land . (in proportions 1kt infantry equals 1000 people)

With this going on who needs MMO3?

Captain Kwok · #6 February 27th, 2003, 06:28 PM

I don't think we should compare SE:IV to MOO:3 or any other game...

...We should devote our energy towards making suggestions and coming up with new ideas to make Space Empires V the best game it can be. What other game do we the players have a chance to really make a difference in how it's put together? There are many of us here that have had suggestions directly put into patches for SE:IV already. Now let's flex our consumer muscles and gaming brains and make sure that Space Empires V will be a great game!

dogscoff · #7 February 27th, 2003, 06:32 PM

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I'm not buying, I'm happy with the Proportioned SE4.

I agree completely. Someone bought me MOO2 a few years ago. Never even installed it.

QBrigid · #8 February 27th, 2003, 07:07 PM

Space Empires is a great game as it allows a great deal of changes to be made by the consumer, and the designers encourage input from the gamers.

Yes, it is a very niche market, however the PR does not have to cost an arm and a leg, there are may ways to market the new game that would cost no cash.

I know a great deal of people who are MOO, Alpha Centari, Birth of the Federation, etc. fans who have never tried SE because they do not know much about it. Each of these games is very different yet I believe Space Empires would appeal to many of them as each game is basicly a strategy game that challenges the mental abilities of the players as opposed to their dexterity.

oleg · #9 February 27th, 2003, 07:14 PM

I really enjoyed Moo2. I liked the sound and animation of colony ship landing, I liked rotating new devices my science guy present. I liked the general view of my beautiful colonies, I liked every bit of space combat !
Now, AFAIK, it is all gone.

I may buy Moo3 3-4 months from now, for �5.

Fyron · #10 February 27th, 2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
unfortunately, yes... se4 is a niche

there was never a store release
(which, today is better than even a year ago)

but still bad imho - aaron / malf. needs to call up eb and see if they can get some copies put onto shelves with 'new release' stickers and maybe a follow up review on game review sites that have just finished doing moo3 reviews

(hrm, should i be running malf? - they should call me for consulting work or sumsuch)

Probably not. Going retail brings very little to no profit to the game developer. This is why MM never took SE to retail. MM would most likely end up losing money if that happened.

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Originally posted by dogscoff:

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I'm not buying, I'm happy with the Proportioned SE4.

I agree completely. Someone bought me MOO2 a few years ago. Never even installed it.

You missed out on a lot then. MOO2 is essentially a better game than SE4. The only downside to it is that it lacks the moddability of SE4. This is the only reason why SE4 is currently a better game than MOO2.

Well, that, and you can't do as many varied stellar manipulations as in SE4, but that is a minor point. It is kind of like the difference between nVidia and ATI video cards. The ATI card is a better designed card, but the nVidia has far superior drivers, which make it outperform in the end. If only MOO2 was merged with SE4, then we would have one heck of a game.

[ February 27, 2003, 17:29: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]