Myth - EA, CBM 1.92, no diplo - tratorix/Agartha & Valerius/Vanheim win

[llamabeast]

I would be tempted to join this if I were allowed to play R'lyeh - are you set on the no-water-nations thing? No worries if so.

[LongBrodie]

Hi! I would like to join playing Tir na Nog, if you'll have me. I've played a few multiplayer games so far, but I'm still fairly new. I'm BrodieSWR's brother, but I hope you won't hold that against me, especially since this is a no-diplo game.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by llamabeast

I would be tempted to join this if I were allowed to play R'lyeh - are you set on the no-water-nations thing? No worries if so.

Well, I kind of was more flexible from my default "no water nations, no Ashdod/Hinnom" terms this game anyway, so why not? But I don't want to change the terms on players after they've signed up so is everyone ok with adding a water nation? For that matter, does anyone else want to switch to a water nation?

Btw, I know there's been efforts to improve the improve the interaction between land/water nations so it might be worth checking this out. Part of my dislike is I got tired of seeing the water nations fight it out early and then the winner sat there clamming all game. That and the fact that I got destroyed trying to attack Atlantis when playing Van (little did I know that the answer was storm demons ).

Originally Posted by LongBrodie

Hi! I would like to join playing Tir na Nog, if you'll have me. I've played a few multiplayer games so far, but I'm still fairly new. I'm BrodieSWR's brother, but I hope you won't hold that against me, especially since this is a no-diplo game.

Sure, you're welcome to join. The only thing I'll mention is that if you and your brother are playing on the same computer (and therefore have the same serial number) we'll run into problems with a license violation.


Llama and LongBrodie, I hope both of you decide to play. No map has been decided on so 7 works as well as 6.

[BrodieSWR]

No worry, my brother lives in America, I live in Brazil. :P

So there won't be any problems with serial keys causing violation problems.

[Valerius]

Originally Posted by BrodieSWR

No worry, my brother lives in America, I live in Brazil. :P

So there won't be any problems with serial keys causing violation problems.

Great, I've added add him to the roster. It's a funny thing; I play TNN so much that if I don't play them and someone else does I feel almost like someone took "my" nation.


Llama, I've tentatively added you to the roster. I don't think anyone will object as most players don't have my issues with water nations. So it will be mainly up to whether you decide to play (hopefully so ). But someone may want to also play a water nation so that will of course factor into the choice of map.

[BrodieSWR]

I've been doing test games with the new changes added to CBM 1.91.

Agartha was changed a lot! Their final spell summons 3 crazy SC pretenders, and their new spells are pretty nifty. It's good to see them getting some love.

Speaking of which, Llamabeast, do you think that maybe, just maaaaaaybe, Yomi could get one itsy-bitsy tiny change in the next update to CBM?

Their sorcerers need a tiny change:

Currently they have 1 Earth and 1 Death with a 100% chance of receiving +1 to Air/Earth/Fire/Death.

Do you think that the 1 Death could be change to 1 Air? As it stands now, the Hannyas basically trump the sorcerers in most ways. With this one small change, the sorcerers would be a viable alternative because they would have a 25% chance of having 2 Air/1 Earth, which would open them up as fantastic, yet fragile support mages for the armies of Yomi, acting as casters for all kinds of nice spells such as Wind Guide, Lightning Bolt, Aim, and Contact Dai-tengu. They could also forge many items that would benefit Yomi greatly, and expand their options against certain nations whom they have many, many problems fighting against.

As it stands, Yomi's theme is about reckless and violent magical power on selfish, greedy demons, with lots of offense, and little defense. This one small change would open them up for more of their thematic demonic violence, and reduce some of their crippling redundancy.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to discuss this. I think I'll post this as a new thread in the main discussion forum later.

[Valerius]

I would suggest posting your comments regarding Yomi in the CBM discussion thread in the mods subforum rather than the main forum. Though thematically that seems a fairly significant change from the core paths of FED, as all of your cheap research mages can now cast orb lightning (or lightning bolt after casting summon storm power) and a quarter can cast lightning bolt/thunderstrike.

Which reminds me that I need to look over the rest of the changes in 1.91. So far I've only reviewed the glamour nations and MA Man.

I'm going to PM llama to see if he's decided to participate and also whether we should wait for another CBM release.

[BrodieSWR]

Mmm, good point Valerius, I didn't think about the CBM thread, :P. Durp!

But anyway, it could see how it could be a bit too strong, but I just felt like Yomi gets jipped seeing as how they have a whole slew of "national" spells that they can't even access reasonably well such as Contact Nushi and Contact Dai-tengu. Air magic is SO vital to Yomi that the fact that Air 2 Dai-Oni are basically godsends makes Air a NECESSITY on your pretender, severely limiting your builds and options.

Maybe if they were made a little more expensive to compensate?

Anyway, I'll continue this in the other thread as you suggested. Thanks for your point of view, it made me think twice.

[Valerius]

No problem. And llama may agree with you but I know he, and qm before him, like to stay with a nation's theme. Yomi has traditionally been considered one of the weaker EA nations (not sure if things have improved for them in recent CBM releases) so if that's still the case llama might well be open to a boost - but he'd likely want to make sure if was thematic.

But I see what you're saying about having trouble summoning national summons. Not sure if the idea was that you had to either get lucky with randoms and/or make sure your pretender can summon them but there have been other cases where CBM made it easier for mages to cast national summons so that's worth bringing up when you post in the CBM thread.

[llamabeast]

Hello! Very sorry to mess you around Valerius but I think I will drop out of this one after all. May just be because I'm knackered today, but I think I need to be careful not to overcommit. Really sorry about that.

I'll release CB1.92 this evening. Hopefully that should be it for a while (fingers crossed!). Not too many bugs reported over the last few days.

BrodieSWR - I don't know Yomi very well and have no opinion offhand. The best thing to do as Valerius suggested is stimulate debate in the main thread.