[Daynarr]

Originally posted by archaeolept:

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Originally posted by Graeme Dice:

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Originally posted by Daynarr:
Another way is to use lots of lifeless summons (or units if you can buy them) that she can't drain. After VQ casts buffs, she will have pretty high fatigue - use that to swarm her with lifeless army. Of course, this is not doable at the very start.

It's very unlikely that longdead will be able to do enough damage to her to get through a protection of 20-30, especially if she has a fireshield.

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yeah, and you're lucky if that's all she has. Armor of 30+ would be standard in the full strat by the midgame. defense the same, + fireshield, and, of course, the 5+ mirror images and mistform. I really doubt that masses of fodder undead could do anything to her, though I may be wrong. She is flying, and is likely attacking the rear as well...

as far as counters, other than trying to mimick the VQ formula itself, I take Marignon w/ a Baphomet F9 S9 blessing, and create hordes of flaming fate-twisted flagellants. that works, but is not exactly generally applicable.

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I said lifeless not longdead units. You know, clayman, crushers, wights and such who have a significant number of HP and good attack. VQ defense is not very great and these units will penetrate it often enough to make a difference. Bunch of crappy longdead are not good to handle any SC. A nation with good death magic and gem income has a variety of summons to choose to counter VQ.

Shades are another good and cheap way to get her. Cheap summons with magical weapons and boots of flying should do the job. Being stealthy allows them to surprise attack VQ or hunt her down without her knowing where the danger is.

Basically any SC with boots of flying can kill her.