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DonCorazon May 10th, 2008 03:03 AM

Spell: Soul Vortex
 
Does soul vortex drain life from undead? Will it drain life from nearby friendlies?

Thanks.

K May 10th, 2008 03:25 AM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
No, if they are Lifeless. Yes.

MaxWilson May 10th, 2008 03:53 AM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
Note: if you want to spam spells without a Communion, Soul Vortex is sometimes a good bet. Just surround your mage with a bunch of cheap militia or something and let him suck the life out of them with Soul Vortex.

-Max

DonCorazon May 10th, 2008 12:58 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
To clarify K's response, some undead have the "Lifeless" tag. I just noticed it while looking at the Bog Mummy pretender. I guess there are both Lifeless undead and "non-Lifeless" - and the Lifeless tag specifically states it grants immunity to spells like Drain life, Sleep, and Polymorph.

Xietor May 10th, 2008 04:31 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
I also think soul vortex, unlike drain life, can be resisted.
At least I have witnessed many times when my wraith lord did not get a boost from it though next to units that had life.

MaxWilson May 10th, 2008 04:31 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
Note that Lifeless doesn't prevent you from taking damage from Drain Life/Soul Vortex/etc., it just means the enemy caster doesn't get back HP/FP from draining you.

-Max

Tyrant May 10th, 2008 04:35 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
X is right that it does not seem to work 100%, but i'm not sure if it's a MR save or a weird variation in the area of effect, it sometimes appears that it does not hit all the adjacent squares.

suresir May 10th, 2008 11:34 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
It has a MR save, which means a lot of units will escape. If it hits, it still does only 1 armor negating damage. That gives you a 1 + 2d6 damage roll versus a 0 + 2d6 protection roll. So you'll need a good damage roll to seriously hurt the enemy. Once you're surrounded by enemy troops, some are bound to get hit every turn, and soul vortex really shines there.

Xietor May 11th, 2008 01:01 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
Actually Max, lifeless units cannot be damaged by drain life or soul vortex. There is no life to drain. They are also immune to life for a life blood magic spell.

MaxWilson May 11th, 2008 09:35 PM

Re: Spell: Soul Vortex
 
Xietor,

You're right. Has it always been this way, or is this new in a patch? I remember it working differently but maybe my memory is just flaky.

-Max


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