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The only Sci Fi shows i ever see anymore are Lexx (not very good), ST-Voyager (Not bad), ST-NG (I've seen 'em all), Andromeda (bleh), and some other horrible owe I never heard of late night.
Anyway, seems they just don't make sci-fi like the used to... Babylon 5 was good but seems gone... The new star trek seems so lame... Just no energy and it's like on one channel in the country... So what's good these days? Ken P.s. any recommendations for any good sci-fi movies that I may not have seen? B movies that weren't bad? |
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Stargate SG1 was a suprise, considering its parrent film.
It has a story arc. It has continuity. It uses established story line in developing plot. The cast has a chemistry that would have brought some life, to the otherwise good, but dry B5. It single-handedly revised my interest in sci-fi. I was so used to Rodenberryesque fantasy, I forgot what Science Fiction was. I was never a Richard Dean Anderson fan either, until now. And I must say, I like his show more than his politics. |
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Farscape - Good show
Andramada - I think it is ok Earth Final Conflict - Never got into it. Star Trek Enterprise - Good show Taken - Never seen it Top Sci-Fi Shows of all time according to me. 1. Babylon 5 2. Deep Space 9 3. Stargate SG-1 4. Farscape 5. Star Trek Next Generation 6. Star Trek 7. Enterprise 8. Andromada 9. Battlestar Galactica (Damn good show, too bad it was dropped in the first season.) 10. Buck Rogers |
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Babylon 5 is my all time favorite Sci Fi show. In fact, it is my all time favorite TV series (closely followed by Hill Street Blues).
I have enjoyed every episode of Star Trek : Deep Space 9, but have not seen that many of them (scheduling problems) I have enjoyed Star Trek : Enterprise very much also. |
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IMO if you want good Sci-Fi forget the TV, get a book or even better, a magazine like Analog
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Now for some of my favorite shows, I can't believe no has mentioned Britain's contribution to sci-fi shows. Let's not forget a little show called Doctor Who, which has run longer than all of the Star Trek shows put together. And there's also Red Dwarf. Now who says the Brits don't have a sense of humor? This has to be one of the funniest shows of all time, and it's sci-fi. Of all of the sci-fi shows I can remember seeing, either in prime time or once they were in re-runs, here's what I would call my best 1. Star Trek 2. St: TNG 3. Voyager 4. DS9 5. Enterprise 6. 6 Million Dollar Man 7. Dr. Who 8. Red Dwarf 9. The Time Tunnel 10. Star Blazers Some of these shows may have started out slow, like ST: TNG, but got better as they went along, and some others started out good and then devolved, like the 6 Million Dollar Man. Most of the modern shows that are on Sci-fi channel I just don't get the chance to watch, so I can't rate them. Or they're on Showtime, which I don't get. |
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What's that god awful series wehre people crash land on some planet. There some kind of underground race there called diggers?
It's a recent show. It's kind of strange when you think about it just how many relatively new Sci-fi shows there have been. And so few any good. I think the networks are giving up on them so it's hard to get the money to put together a good one. On another genre and speaking of british shows, I just saw a comedy series called Blacks Books or something. Funny as ****! On the comedy channel one night but can't find it anymore. Ken |
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Well, Farscape was the best show on television, but I'm afraid you missed the boat on that one. So did a lot of people, which was the problem really. Produced by Jim Henson's creature company, the show had outstanding production values. The stuff didn't have that sleek, expensive look you expect from any recent ST shows, but it was very imaginative. Picture "The Dark Crystal" as a sci-fi TV show.
Sadly, Farscape was too good for it's own good. It had strong plot development throughout the entire four-year run, and intricate character arcs. So anyone who hadn't been watching couldn't just jump in and have any idea what was going on. And since Sci-Fi, like any good network, doesn't care as much about the quality of a show as the quantity of its viewers, it got cancelled. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Sometimes I blame Stargate, but that's just petty, I know. I can't believe, though, that several people have rated the best sci-fi of all time and forgotten the best TV show ever, "The Prisoner"! This show was great! Psychological philosophy disguised as entertainment! And darned entertaining too! If any of you haven't seen the show in its entirety, I command you to rent it or buy it immediately and go mend! |
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I not only have the complete Prisoner series on tape, but several McGuin interviews and the Gurps Prisoner RGP.
I don't think of it as sci-fi though. You never know if it is a dream, aliens, his government, another government. Instead of a sci-fi mythos, it builds psychological tension using fantasy/action elements, sometimes in the guise of science. I think that is a different animal, but it is one of my all-time Favorites. Battlestar Galactica was canceled not because of a lack of interest, or return on capital invested, but because George Lucas kept suing the production. He claimed he owned "capsule shaped laser fire", sound in space, the design for the viper, etc, etc. He litigated one of the best Sci-fi series ever, off the air. He is a hack at best, and the best of the Star Wars universe was written by other people than himself. Jealous of real talent, he went after Galactica with every tool at his disposal. I wish him well on his new project. To make himself look like a Death-Star. It is coming along nicely. Soon he will not be able to leave his own home, and will spend his days playing his level 60 necro on EverQuest. [ February 13, 2003, 05:00: Message edited by: Omega_Prime ] |
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Maybe I'm getting my shows mixed up, but Taken was a 10-episode miniseries. It had its good points, but with a great deal of interesting build-up and mystery I felt kind of disappointed by the wrap-up and ending. It seemed to fall short.
I had a similar reaction to the conclusion of Babylon 5's Shadow wars saga. Not necessarily the entire series, but that significant part ended on an odd and somewhat underwhelming note. And much as I liked the show, the story seemed to lose punch without that focus, but it did find interesting ways to recover. Much as I liked the 'rangers' concept, you didn't think that one human would have pointed out that the name of this elite covert Minbari group came from an ancient Earth novel? I might have liked that better if they were named the Rangers by some humans and had kept some other Minbari name. Stargate becomes more enjoyable the more I watch it, and Farscape is awesome....but some of those wacky episodes from the previous new episode release Last year were far out there. I was lucky, I caught up with Farscape during a two-week period where they seemed to play every most-exciting and pivotal episode, so I think I caught up on the action just as they went into a new season. And I still have some season 1 stuff I'm sure I haven't seen yet. Andromeda is fun, but a little too silly sometimes. I'll keep watching it. Earth: Final Conflict had me hooked, but somewhere in the end of the Taelons I just didn't keep up. Enterprise is one of the few shows I consistently watch. I can't get enough of the Star Treks, although I miss much of Voyager. As much criticism as Roddenberry's vision gets, I rather like the idea that in the future we haven't just progressed in technology but that humanity has become better. That kind of optimism is rare in entertainment and current sci-fi, and it is refreshing. |
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What's that god awful series wehre people crash land on some planet. There some kind of underground race there called diggers? [quote] Are you talking about Earth2? IIRC the premise of the show was that a small group of volunteers were sent to colonize a virtually earthlike world. The aliens were a mix of gaia-loving druid meets Swamp Thing who would stad around and do some choral moaning before dropping back into the ground. It got a little wierd/sappy when the kids who were 'techno-sick' got better by communing with nature and walking through the dirt themselves. Another show I liked was Earth: Above and Beyond. A large part of it was actually a war story but it had some good backstory. And the final episode was pretty interesting when you found out the real reason for the war with the 'chiggs'. I always wondered where they would have gone with that. I was also fond of Invasion America. A surprisingly good american cartoon (or perhaps not so surprisingly since it was done by Spielberg). As far as books go, I have to say that Dan Simmons Hyperion series is one of the best I have ever read. If it was ever to be made into a movie, and made right, I would crap an eggroll in joy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [ February 13, 2003, 09:01: Message edited by: QuarianRex ] |
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After I posted Last night, I remembered a couple of more good shows that I enjoyed and haven't seen mentioned: X-Files and Quantam Leap. Can't forget these shows.
I'm all for reading books. I think I spend more time in a week reading than I do watching TV (mostly because the wife has her hand on the remote control!!!). I read mostly sci-fi, but I'm hooked on Stephen King, Tom Clancy and Clive Cussler books also. Unfortunately, due to the costs of even paperbooks, there are a lot of sci-books I haven't had the chance to read, and probably never will. Like the Hyperion series just mentioned. I have to work on teh weekends, so I don't have the chance to go to flea markets and garage sales, which used to be a major source of my book collecting in the past. |
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Anyone else remember Alien:Nation? There was a bunch of refugee aliens living in some American city, and the story follwed a Tenktonese cop teamed up with an initially xenophobic human.
There were a few films of it, but the series was best. The best bits were the explorations of Tentonese culture - they got drunk on sour milk and had all these strange biological functions only ever hinted at. |
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She would do something retarded and it would be just the trick. She could defeat the borg at will, and repeatably. I mean, she would not flinch at sidling Voyager up to a borg ship. (The fact that her ship's name is too appropriate for the thin premise of the show was bad enough by its self.) They TALKED an advanced borg into being "good". They destroyed the "borg nexus". (The idea of a borg nexus, really should have begged the question, "Why is there still a Federation?") The show was an exorcise in mis-use and abuse of plot device. A black-eye on the face of sci-fi, if it can even be called that. Of course, the borg can travel through time too. In fact they are so powerful, they never won a battle. It's a wonder sci-fi has survived that drivel. Rodenbery has done worse though. Earth: Final Crap-fest. Jesus Rodham Christ. This show was more "Trekie" than TREK! It didn't just ignore past seasons, it could actually ignore the very Last episode, change its history at will, and cycle through main characters as fast as bad Japanimation. Alternate twin universe, evil twin, new tech mentioned just in time to be used for today's story, mumbo-jumbo in the guise of sci-fi...this has Rodenbery stink all over it. UPDATE: Let me just add, though, that the first season of EFC was pretty watchable, if not on the edge of entertaining. [ February 13, 2003, 15:11: Message edited by: Omega_Prime ] |
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10 most awful sci-fi TV shows ever.
1. Earth: Final Conflict 2. Voyager 3. Farscape (After it started sucking) 4. Cleopatra 2525 (watchable on mute) 5. Lost in Space 6. Andromeda 7. Highlander: Raven 8. Enterprise (is there a petition to kill this?} 9. Greatest American Hero 10. Manamal ten best: 1. Stargate SG1 2. B5 (Though very dry chemistry wise) 3. Sliders (first season at least) 4. Battlestar galactica 5. X-files (early on) 6. Night Stalker (horror/mystery/scifi) 7. Twilight Zone 8. 6 million dollar man 9. Farscape (Before it started sucking) 10. Outer Limits I didn't mention shows like Scorpian/Nightman/Manta because they are pretty much the same bad show, with different actors. |
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Did somebody claim that Stranger in a Strange Land was a good book? Maybe I am a stranger in a strange land, but it seemed to me that Heinlein was just indulging in some of his odd fetishes a little too much in that book. Don't believe me? Read Glory Road or Job: A Comedy of Justice. Good writing occasionally, but the man had issues. If you're looking to read good sci-fi, I recommend Asimov or Cherryh. Or Zelazny, for something a little wierder. Or Card. And Saberhagen sci-fi ain't bad.
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Omega Prime, you missed the 'revival' Galactical 1980 on that list of the worst SciFi of all time. It belongs at the TOP of the list, too! The Buck Rogers series follows closely behind it.
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Job: A comedy of justice. If that sucked any harder I would accuse it of being a colaberation between Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, and Tim Burton. It was that bad. Good thing they never made a move together. It would be three hours of muppets and midgets commiting suicide via auto-erotic-asphyxiation. (Or would that be a dream sequence?)
Tim Burton can rape a story like nobody else...except maybe Disney. (Treasure Planet? Tarzan? I hope Disney never starts doing Bible Stories...Jesus and the cross singing, Jesus surfs on it.) Legend of Sleepy Hollow was okay...it just had nothing to do with the story of the same name. It should have been called, "Sherlock Holms and the case of the Headless Swordsman" But together? Together they form VOLTRON. LOL [ February 13, 2003, 17:54: Message edited by: Omega_Prime ] |
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The only reason 6 million dollar man made it, was because of the original premise (borrowed from the story Cyborg). A cyborg secret agent. Not new now with cyber-punk, but ground-breaking in its day. It started off, I might add better than it ended. It was a comic-book on TV by the end. Bigfoot, aliens...more than one race of aliens....complete androids....but in the 70s people wanted crap, so that is what they eventually got from this show too. |
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Hey, I loved Steve Austin back then. Like I mentioned earlier, the series did start out good, but by the end it was terrible. Bigfoot and aliens? Sheesh, I didn't want that kind of junk even back then.
As far as Heinlein goes, I was thoroughly enjoying all of his books when I was growing up until I read Stranger In A Strange Land and Glory Road. I was in my early to mid teens, and it was quite a shocker for me to read all of that adult content. It took me about 10 years before I finally picked up another of his books, which I think was either Friday or Job. If he had just stayed with the format I was enjoying that he used for Have Spacesuit Will Travel and all of the others like that, I would have kept on reading his works. |
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One enjoyable new sci-fi show is The Dead Zone. Anthony Michael Hall is great in the lead, and the episode stories work well and mesh with the overarching plotlines. The vision sequences are fun, and often done just right to give a little mystery to the show.
gregebowman...Steve Austin?? I love that guy! I'm excited that he's coming back at the next PPV and I just know Stone Cold is gonna be hittin' everyone around with the stunner...oh darn...wrong Steve Austin..oops...hehe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Bigfoot was one of the coolest recurring characters on Six Million Dollar Man, and he was played by the late great Andre the Giant!!! For reading, Zelazny's Lords of Light is very cool. As the book flashes back and forth between its present and past, it could take a couple reads to catch everything and put it in perspective. It's also good to have some sense of Hinduism/Buddhism. Also Charles(?) DeLint's Svaha is an interesting mix of cyberpunk, Native American and Far Eastern mysticism and just some good action. I still love Heinlein for Starship Troopers. I'll never forget how I read chapter 1 as a kid, went to sleep and immediately had a vivid dream of being on that first drop. And my brain did a better job than that "Space 90210" movie called Starship Troopers some 20 years later!!! [ February 14, 2003, 05:42: Message edited by: Cheeze ] |
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Cheeze - What do you think of the computer graphics Version series of Starship Troopers?
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but the relationship between G'kar and Londo, and also the unrequited love bit between Ivonova and Marcus were just excellent. Also Londo's relationship with Vir. There was chemistry in B5, just not with the Captain & the Minbari. I think B5's biggest flaw was that most of its voyages into mysticism (that immortal "first one" in the Last series, the captain from the first series coming back as some kind of Messiah- HA!, the Minbari in general, that psychic woman who worked for the vorlons) just ended up looking sappy and cliched. The most notable exceptions to this would be G'kar's redemption and the Vorlons, who I think were genuinely mysterious. Oh, and Starship Troopers= Beverly hills 90210 in space? Are you sure? I think Troopers was a lot deeper than that. The way I see it, all the protaganists being young and beautiful was deliberate, because the whole thing is shot like a bit of fascist propaganda from the future state the film is about. When you think about it in that light, the aesthetic and heroic tone of the film becomes quite dark and disturbing. IMO. [ February 14, 2003, 11:37: Message edited by: dogscoff ] |
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Well here is my top 10 sci-fi shows:
10. Buck Rogers in 25th Century season 1 (bu, Buck) 9. Dr. Who (all time classic pbs show) 8. Six Million Dollar Man 7. B5 Crusade (awesome start. Why cancel??) 6. Star Trek Next Gen 5. Enterprise (It's coming along) 4. Star Trek DS9 (Dominion war saved this one) 3. Battlestar Galactica season 1 2. Star Trek TOS (just great!) 1. Babylon 5 (the ultimate story line) The top 10 worst Sci-fi shows: 10. Andromeda (Need I say more?) 9. Babylon5: Legend of the Rangers (We want Crusade) 8. Lost in Space (danger, danger!!) 7. Star Trek Voyager (pushover Borg) 6. Earth 2 (I think I saw this drunk once) 5. Sliders (good start, what happened?) 4. SeaQuest (trek underwater) 3. Buck Roger in the 25th Century season 2 (total crap, space midgets stripping Wilma was cool!) 2. Battlestar Galactica 1980 (Yikes?!) 1. Earth: Final Conflict (Does anyone know what this was about?) |
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I dont think Starship Troopers can really be described as being deep and profound. If I know Paul Verhoeven's movies, he probably picked beautiful people to emphasise the fact that the bugs were ripping them limb from limb......
I remember the midgets stripping Wilma Deering, pity is you didn't see anything other than a brief shot of her blouse being undone... bugger |
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Anyone ever heard of Starhunter??? I saw it like at 2am on a monday. Pretty bad.
Also, wasn't there supposed to be some new series starting with some acclaimed director or something. It was gonna be like a cross western/space pirates or something. I remember it was being pretty hyped up a couple months ago. Maybe the pilot bombed. |
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Fox is the kiss of death to Sci-Fi. LOL
I heard that they are going to be the host of the new Battlestar Galactica. I also heard that they "re-imagined" the story, and Starbuck is a girl. That would tend to sound like the kind of story-rape that Fox would buy. |
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How's this for a strange (and a bit obscure) list of Sci-Fi TV shows...
1) Logan's run 2) Planet Earth (Based on Genisis by Rodenbery!) 3) U.F.O. 4) V 5) Time Tunnel 6) Lost in space 7) My favorite martian 8) Red Dwarf 9) Tekwar 10) Earth 2 (I thought this one had potential!) 11) 7 Days 12) Earth:Final Conflict 13) Robocop 14) The Martian Cronicles 15) Mork and Mindy ..I also seem to remember a short lived TV series based on the planet of the apes, but I might be getting it confused with the original movies! More recently, I have been watching.. 1) Andromeda (Great!) 2) Stargate SG1 (Fantastic!) 3) Enterprise (Getting better!) 4) Total Recall: 2070 (Just plain fun!) 5)..and many show in re-runs.. ST:TOS, ST:TNG, ST:DS9, etc. Cheers! |
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How about the Top 11 best scifi movies
11 Stargate 10 Starship Troopers 9 Close Encounters of the Third Kind 8 Predator 7 The 5th Element 6 Terminator 2 5 The Matrix 4 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 3 Return of the Jedi 2 Empire Strikes Back 1. Star Wars [ February 14, 2003, 20:41: Message edited by: atomannj ] |
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Now my top 10 worst scifi movies:
10 Star Wars: Episode 1 9 Ice Pirates of the Phantom Zone 8 Alien: Resurrection 7 Highlander II: The Quickening 6 Star Trek Insurrection 5 Batman Returns 4 Batman & Robin 3 Men in Black 2 2 Star Trek V 1 Battlefield: Earth |
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I loved the original Star Wars movies, the 70's stuff (6 million dollar man!) and I still watch the Incredible Hulk episodes occasionally (the Bill Bixby one; is this considered sci-fi?). The Hulk show from the 70's brings back great memories from when I was a kid and stayed up every Friday night to watch it.
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So what' in store for the future of Sci-fi TV? I'm asking mainly about ones in space and the future.
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A "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica starts filming next month. I think there is a glut of Star Trek out there, so hopefully they will cut it out.
Stargate: Atlantis is in the works, but may be put back since SG1 got a 7th season. Rumor has it that Atlantis will take place off-world. Aliens was going to be done in CGI animation series, I had heard, but never saw it. I may have missed it. I certainly missed this Firefly thing. Star Trek: Counter-Borge Command should be good. It will feature Admiral Janeway, and Kevin Sorbo as "Captain Dunsel". Sorbo, who directed Andromeda into the toilet, will be directing and writing for the new series. Spunk, the obligatory alien on the bridge, will be a vulcan played by a 300 lb Samoan. Also, rumors have it that there will be a Q officer on the bridge, and the entire security staff will be shape-shifters. Ignoring established story lines, the series will take place in the 1700s. BWAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Wow, they're making another Star Trek series? All right!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Hmm, a 300 lb vulcan officer on the bridge?... okay. Q officer? Cool, the ship is going to be invincible - but fighting the Borg might get to be kind of boring and not very exciting. Shape shifting security staff, like Odo? Wow... What, 1700's? OK, you had me fooled up to now! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Ruatha - I only heard about the animated/cgi Version of Starship Troopers but never have seen it. I wish I would, sooner the better.
Dogscoff - That movie was such an abominable use of the book it's barely funny. On its own right, it's a dumb movie with some good action. Given how butchered the vision was of the story, it was truly ghastly. Verhoeven might have had Robocop fighting alongside the soldiers, it was the exact same world...and that's half my point. He had done that already. The understanding of the military was so completely absent it boggled the mind. My ears ache every time they called a sergeant "sir" and he didn't tear the speaker wide open, and that was just a small detail. Do I need to bring up the "it's okay that I'm dying, because I had you" line?? On top of that, it is clear there was no effort to bring the world to life as Heinlein described. And since Troopers has been derided as some sort of fascistic vision, that wasn't too surprising, only disappointing. But no powered armor?? And I still saw the movie twice...in the theater. I'm just hopeless that way! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif BTW, thanks for the Wilma Deering memories! She wore those outfits so well. Princess Ardala was cute too, but not as much so, since she couldn't fly a space fighter. It was horrifying to see Colonel Deering playing third fiddle to Ricky Schroder and Ardala on that godawful Texas detective show...but I guess everyone has to find work, don't they? [ February 15, 2003, 04:48: Message edited by: Cheeze ] |
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Fox Saddles Up Mister Ed
The Fox network has given the green light to a Mister Ed pilot, an update of the classic 1960s talking-horse sitcom, which starred Alan Young, Variety reported. Twentieth Century Fox TV and Original TV will produce the pilot. Original's Marty Adelstein, Dawn Parouse and Neal Moritz will executive produce the pilot. Writer Jack Handey (Saturday Night Live) is behind the Mister Ed update and will also executive produce, the trade paper reported. The SCI FI Channel has cast the key roles of Starbuck and Apollo for its upcoming original miniseries Battlestar Galactica, based on the 1978-'80 TV series. Oregon native Katee Sackhoff (Halloween: Resurrection), 22, will play a female Starbuck in executive producer Ronald D. Moore's reimagination of the series, SCI FI announced. Meanwhile, British actor Jamie Bamber (HBO's Band of Brothers), 29, will play Apollo. In the original series Starbuck was a male character played by Dirk Benedict, while Apollo was played by Richard Hatch. The four-hour Galactica miniseries, from Roswell and Star Trek: The Next Generation hack Moore, is slated to debut later this year. Moore has been quoted as saying, "If you liked the god-awful sh http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif t I have put out in the past, you will LOVE this steaming pile!" A source close to Fox Television, which produces Buffy the Vampire Slayer for UPN, has told SyFy Portal a rumor that the network won't bring the show back for an eighth season. "There is a whole different attitude at UPN right now, and it's not the same attitude that first brought Buffy to the network in the first place," the anonymous source said. Les Moonves, president of UPN parent CBS, reportedly wants Ratings winners and nothing else, the source added. "It is believed around here that if Moonves had been running UPN two years ago, Buffy never would've been there in the first place," the source said. Australian model Travis Fimmel will play the title role in The WB's drama pilot Tarzan, a contemporary update of Edgar Rice Burroughs' classic tale, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Warner Brothers Television and Laura Ziskin will produce the series, which will also star newcomer Sarah Wayne Callies as Jane. The series focuses on Tarzan as a young man as he is brought from the jungle to his childhood home, New York, (New York City? I thought he was French!) by his uncle, the head of Greystoke Enterprises. In this Version, Jane is a fiery police detective, the trade paper reported. Eric Kripke wrote the script for the pilot. Ziskin and Kripke are executive producing with David Gerber and the pilot's director, David Nutter (The X-Files). Let's hope they don't rape this property as badly as Disney...then again, nobody rapes like Disney. [ February 15, 2003, 06:40: Message edited by: Sea-Monkey-Pirate ] |
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SG the movie was ok, but the series really stink. It's a McGyver goes Extraterrestial and stops making gadgets.
It's the same childish plot and bad actors. Admittedly Andromeda has a bad plot too but the good filming makes it worthwhile to see. IMO nothing comes close to Babylon 5. |
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Ruatha
I respect your opinion, but let me take a snip from the show. Te'alc: I have read of female warriors doing battle in an arena of Jello. O'Niel: (Cocks his head, taken a little aback, then nods) I'll call Daniel. If there is another sci-fi show written at the maturity level of Boston Public, or even a scifi show with that kind of warm humor and chemistry between the cast members, I am just missing it. At best, I have seen scifi have one, or the other. B5 certainly had the maturity of good drama, but no warm humor. STNG tried to have the warm humor (Q puts the crew in the role of Robinhood type bandits and Worf spits out, "I am not a merry man!") but never had mature writing. Case in point, the crew: Worf, the only Klingon in the Federation, on the bridge, an empath...on the bridge, an android...also on the bridge, a guy so "blind" he can see more than we can....started on the bridge, akido master Tasha Yarr...yep...bridge, Wesly the boy-god...16..on the bridge...DRIVING, and the tactical genius that came up with the "Picard Manuever" as the captain, and in the bar...a bartender that makes Q nervous. It was the X-Men in space! One "special person" is enough for good scifi. Deep Space..same thing. Shapechanger, simbiotic crewperson, a messiah, a being of pure data in the computer core... Most of today's interplanetary scifi goes that rout. A crew of SuperBeings in space, with super toys, and a mysterious member "from parts unknown". It is so over-done, it has a set format. You can plug almost everyone of the above into Andromeda and find the counterpart. Not so with SG1. It is people that bleed, love, and laugh. The closest they have to a cliche is Te'alk. (That one special person) Also, I think the Jack O'Neil character is the complete reverse of McGyver. 1. McGyver would never pick up a gun. O'Neil will never put his down. 2. McGyver was brains. O'Neil is brawn. 3. McGyver was the problem solver. O'Neil has never been the one to figure something out. 4. McGyver - Hippy. O'Neil - Military. I will say that Richard Dean Anderson has political views that border on socialist, and the better actor on the show by FAR is Christopher Judge. |
Re: OT - Good sci fi TV shows?
Mmm I don't think anyone has mentioned one of the best TV show of all time:
The Outer Limits. (new series) The best part is that since each show is different the ending is always unpredictable. I love the one were that little twerp from Next Generation accidentally blows up the Earth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [ February 15, 2003, 13:35: Message edited by: DavidG ] |
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Yeah, SG-1 rocks ! Some episodes have weak or even silly plots, but what show produced 100+ outstanding episodes? Even Bab5 had few very silly moments.
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OK, I'm not saying you are wrong (or am I?). You are fully entitled to your opinion.
But I haven't smiled once wathcing SG1. Maybe I haven't given it a reasonable chance,. Only seen about 5 episodes. Yes, Andromeda suffers from the unbeatable syndrome aswell with superheroes, but i think there is something funny in almost all episodes. Perhaps I have a strange sense of humour or it might be I'm not native speaking english SG1 to me really shouts, Hey, look what we high scool students can make! (I e low budget and bad plot and actors). I liked mcGyver though, that might be one of the reasons I don't like SG1. I always thought it very funny how he could build a nuke from a lighbulb and sugar or whatever; (Everything contains atoms, right? If I just can get them to split...) Yes, Bab 5 also has it's downs but the story was great. Interweaven plot through several seasons. Not very much paradoxes and "unbelivable" stuff. I always though a Sci Fi story needs "credability" within it's own context. My favorite Sci Fi ever is Asimovs Foundation Series! [ February 15, 2003, 17:33: Message edited by: Ruatha ] |
Re: OT - Good sci fi TV shows?
The first time I watched Andromeda I almost died laughing. You see, that morning I was watchng Hercules:Legendary Jorney and when switched on TV later I thought it is simply a new humorous episod http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif The storyline about saving a girl named Andromeda fits quite well. I especially liked blue Aphrodites with tail. Imagine my disappointment when I learned truth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
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