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SATANS PAWN February 27th, 2004 03:39 AM

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That world map is ugly. Its hard to look at. The water is the wrong color too.

It took around 2 1/2 hours to down load. It took 2 seconds to delete.

They should take it off of the maps page. Its not worth down loading.

>>>THE HORNED KING<<<

Arryn February 27th, 2004 03:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SATANS PAWN:
It took around 2 1/2 hours to down load. It took 2 seconds to delete.

They should take it off of the maps page. Its not worth down loading.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">1. Just because you have a slow connection is no reason to blame the map for being a large file.

2. If it took you 2 seconds to get rid of it, it took you 1.5 seconds too long. You need a faster computer and/or faster reflexes.

3. The popularity of the map means your opinion that it should be gotten rid of is in the distinct minority. No one forced you to download it.

Alexander Seil February 27th, 2004 03:53 AM

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It is atrociously ugly to look at though...

Arryn February 27th, 2004 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by Alexander Seil:
It is atrociously ugly to look at though...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I agree it's not pretty, but there are other, fan-made maps at IW that I think are even worse to look at. The main problem with the map is that when you have the zoom set normally, so that it focuses on your small chunk of the world, the map blurs and the lettering also becomes hard to read. There are not enough pixels in this map, despite its large file size.

Sleepy February 27th, 2004 04:06 AM

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Well then, go ahead and make a better one.

Gandalf Parker February 27th, 2004 04:59 AM

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I thought the neat thing about the world map was that it started as an satellite photograph? Or was that the european one?

Arryn February 27th, 2004 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
I thought the neat thing about the world map was that it started as an satellite photograph?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It may have. OTOH, I have bunches of global NASA pics and this map doesn't resemble them at all, other than coastlines. What I think the originator did was take a real pic and then repainted the interiors of continents. Problem is whoever did it lost all the hi-res data of the original pic in the process.

st.patrik February 27th, 2004 05:32 AM

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I agree the world map is very ugly - which is a shame because it is very cool to play on the world, and I like the setup a great deal. If I knew where to find a high resolution map of the world I might try to make a replacement, but I don't, and I'm not really very good at that kind of thing anyway. However, if someone wanted to revise it they can count me in for 100% moral support!

Saxon February 27th, 2004 07:25 AM

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St. Patrick is dead on the money. I applaud the efforts of the map creator, acknowledge the hard work and encourage them to even greater efforts. However, the resolution issue breaks an otherwise wonderful idea. Should anyone want to give it another try, they have the support of a lot of lurkers!

I like the England map, it has a nice “flavour” and the resolution is decent. Perhaps that is an option to pursue, a world map scanned in. I do not own a scanner, otherwise I would be trying this out myself. I have a month of glorious vacation coming in seven hours and have some time to play!

General Tacticus February 27th, 2004 10:38 AM

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I love the world map and particularly the World War scenario. The author did a very good job of balancing the strength/weaknesses of nations with their starting position, of putting some very special sites where they belong, and of putting the nations themselves where their background would have them.

I must agree it is not very beautiful. Playing a water race is particularly painful, as it is very difficult to see how the water provinces are set up. But for me, the fun of playing it far outweights the visual shortcomings.

Teraswaerto February 27th, 2004 03:06 PM

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I too downloaded the map but was unable to play any games on it due to the way it looks. It's not only ugly, but as Tacticus said, borders between water provinces are damn hard to see (if they even are there, couldn't tell).

I'm not complaining though, since it's an additional free map. There are enough maps to choose from, no-one's forcing anyone to use it.

PDF February 27th, 2004 03:32 PM

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SATAN'S SPAWN PLEASE STOP YELLING !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
It took me 1 min to d/l the map, but can play with it for hours ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
But you're right it's uberugly...
I've tried to improve it with my very modest graphix skills, but after repainting the sea in dark blue game crashes 'cause I must have erased the sea provinces center mark ...
Too bad ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

SATANS PAWN February 27th, 2004 03:55 PM

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PDF,

You can play it for hours ? Your kidding, right ?

Try The Kingdom of Karan map. Once you do, you will never torture your eyes again playing World Map.

>>>THE HORNED KING<<<

NTJedi February 27th, 2004 04:17 PM

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The world map is not that pretty... but I prefer the XL maps. The larger maps usually means you'll see larger armies and battles. For the game I'm playing right now on this map... ERMOR has 950 units sitting in his capital.

Peter Ebbesen February 27th, 2004 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SATANS PAWN:
You can play it for hours ? Your kidding, right ?

Try The Kingdom of Karan map. Once you do, you will never torture your eyes again playing World Map.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Eye candy is not the determining factor in the playability or fun of scenarios for everybody. Personally, while I like looking at beautiful maps, I tend to value the actual setup and gameplay higher, and the worldwar scenario has a very nice setup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That does not mean that I would not appreciate a more beautiful worldmap, of course, but it is not essential to my enjoyment.

vanedor February 27th, 2004 06:54 PM

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"The world map is not that pretty... but I prefer the XL maps. The larger maps usually means you'll see larger armies and battles."

Personally, I tend to play small to medium map only. I feel XL maps mid games/late games require too much micro management. You have an incredible amount of armies to move around. I guess it depends of the type of player you are...

PDF February 29th, 2004 02:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SATANS PAWN:
PDF,

You can play it for hours ? Your kidding, right ?

Try The Kingdom of Karan map. Once you do, you will never torture your eyes again playing World Map.

>>>THE HORNED KING<<<

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, kidding, referring to your 2 hr d/l - 2 min delete http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
In fact this map is really ugly, but its size and setting would make it interesting if done correctly - half of the sea surface is useless, colors to redo, better res, ..

BTW for Dom1 there was a good IMHO Europe Map, can't one port it to Dom2 ? Thx http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Leif_- February 29th, 2004 04:31 PM

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I've put up an edited Version of the world map at http://home.Online.no/~rmoldskr/Dominions/World.zip where I've changed the colour of the sea to a flat blue rather than the mess it was.

As an added benefit the new download is substantially smaller - 9 MB compared to 31

I have not drawn the borders between the sea provinces - someone ought to do that, but it'll have to be someone with more patience than I.

Whoops - almost forgot; there's a preview up at http://home.Online.no/~rmoldskr/Dominions/world.jpg

Anyway, seems as I'm too late. Torvak's new world map looks quite a bit better IMO.

[ February 29, 2004, 14:36: Message edited by: Leif_- ]

Arryn February 29th, 2004 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by Leif_-:
I've put up an edited Version of the world map at http://home.Online.no/~rmoldskr/Dominions/World.zip where I've changed the colour of the sea to a flat blue rather than the mess it was.

As an added benefit the new download is substantially smaller - 9 MB compared to 31

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Can you place a link on your own web page to this file?

Leif_- February 29th, 2004 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Arryn:
Can you place a link on your own web page to this file?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Done.

Alexander Seil March 1st, 2004 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by SATANS PAWN:
You can play it for hours ? Your kidding, right ?

Try The Kingdom of Karan map. Once you do, you will never torture your eyes again playing World Map.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Eye candy is not the determining factor in the playability or fun of scenarios for everybody. Personally, while I like looking at beautiful maps, I tend to value the actual setup and gameplay higher, and the worldwar scenario has a very nice setup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That does not mean that I would not appreciate a more beautiful worldmap, of course, but it is not essential to my enjoyment.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The default maps are at least functional...the world map is a horrific mess of a totally incomprehensible coloration. I felt as if someone poked me in the eye with an electric cattle prod after I fired it up...

Arryn March 1st, 2004 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by Alexander Seil:
the world map is a horrific mess of a totally incomprehensible coloration. I felt as if someone poked me in the eye with an electric cattle prod after I fired it up...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There is a much better looking World map now available on my site for download. You can thank Torvak for it.

Norfleet March 1st, 2004 10:23 AM

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Torvak's map is very pretty and matches the style of the other Dom2 maps more closely, but I do notice that there seems to be a somewhat tenuous correlation between the terrain depicted on the map, and the terrain flags actually checked. Looks real nice, though. Maybe I'll go through it and patch up the missing things.

Arryn March 1st, 2004 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Norfleet:
Maybe I'll go through it and patch up the missing things.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There's a LOT to be said for community efforts! Go for it ...

Norfleet March 1st, 2004 11:45 AM

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Torvak just announced he intended to do redo his a bit. I guess I'll wait until he's finished with his touchup before I go and nitpick it again. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif


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