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Sorry I've been getting these out late but I've been busy in other areas this past week. So here's more news from last week...

1. USA continues to make improvements to BRADLEY to increase its life cycle abilities.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...835/#contracts

2. I think this next will be the final nail in the coffin for the EFV, I fully understand its current status in the game and agree with it. We have time and I won't recommend a change in status until I post my final 2011/2012 Patch Post. Alternatives are discussed in this article, but I would further suggust that Brazil's new VBTP-MR fully amphibious 8x8 Marine version might get a look down the road as well. It certainly would fully meet the carry requirements for a USMC squad (13 I believe?) plus crew and can carry wide range of weapons as well. See the APC section Patch Post here or go to that thread itself for more info. Of course I'll continue to follow the EFV as needed.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...#efv-contracts

Time get ready for work.

Regards,
Pat

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News of LW+:

1. TROPHY completes U.S. tests successfully.
http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/19...Marketing.aspx

2. Brazil to upgrade it's M-113 APCs to the German WARAN status. Simply speaking it's a stretched M-113 with an added road wheel similar to Turkeys ACV-S.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23681/

3. BRADLEYS to get improved personnel survivability upgrades.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23915/

4. Our timeline is good as the first of the BTR-4 APCs are shipped to Iraq from the Ukraine.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...y_2004111.html

Regards,
Pat

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The Turkish ARMA 6x6 has been bought by a foreign country (verified) as the first customer. What I have found is circumstantial evidence (NON BLOG) to suggust it was Saudi Arabia. This is not good enough to get it in the game, does anyone have any info that's ONLY from a reliable source or newspaper that says X country has bought it? Trying to get this very capable piece of equipment in. Yes have checked OTAKAR.

Thanks!

Regards,
Pat

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News of LW

1. BOXER finally gets fielded with the 23rd Mountain Ranger Brigade. The Bundeswehr is slated to get 220 units to replace the 2 ton Unimog trucks in current use.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/808/
TRACK AND CHECK THIS ITEM AGAINST GAME.

2. STRYKER to get double v-hull protection.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/24385/

3. Happy 10th Birthday STRYKER! :birthday:
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/24362/

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Though Don has taken care of this, I'm not one to waste good information once gained. So I'll just present the basics since I won't have to "fight" to get it in now. See MBT thread Post #151 Pg. 16, for initial reporting relating to Thailand apparently choosing to replace it's M41A3 tanks with the Ukraine OPLOT MBT. The Ukrainian BRT-3E1 (Export version of the BTR-3U.) is an updated version of the Russian BTR-80. The Ukraine is building the BTR-3E1 brand new. The first initial order of 96 units will be delivered by the end of 2011, with the first two delivered last September. The Thai Army should have (had) by the end of 2010 it's first 22 units while the Thai trainers were in the Ukraine for training in the instructor school starting last Oct. Another 121 units are to be ordered later this year. Units are to cover all operational types with emphasis on the APC and IFV types. Will use June 2011 based on training and equipment availability per first ref. here. Using new expanded format below, is this better for you?
ADD/THAILAND/JUN 2011/BTR-3E1 IFV/C3 P6/Turreted 30mm 250Rds, Coax 7.62mm 2500Rds and ATGW 2x4 KONKURS/DEFENCE 6x81mm S/AeroGL/All vehicle types are FULLY AMPHIBIOUS from the start./Can substitute 30mm AGL 116Rds for cannon./
Other types per last ref.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/secu...etener-to-army
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/inve...an-btr-3e1-apc
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_772.html
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/btr3u.php
http://www.ds-pa.com/index.php/btr-3...cle-production

Pic:
Attachment 11169 Attachment 11170

Regards,
Pat

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I'll need to double check the number of infantry the unit can carry. One souse says it's only 6 which "complicates" the OOB. Also, the sources seem to indicate the AGL is included as part of the standard package not a subsitute for the AC so the set up would be similar ( but not quite the same..) to the BTR-4 GROM in the Ukrainian OOB

Don

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Don,
You can rest assured that...

1. All my refs posted thus far including the manufacturers agree with C3 P6, which I'll re-post below for convenience sake. I'm currently playing a long campaign as the Thai vs. China and understand your concern with the OOB, the BTR-3E1 will be about useless in the carry of mainstream infantry units. If not mistaken it won't even be able to carry a Thai HMG section. Looks like RECON, ATGW etc. type units only get to ride in it. But as with the apparent OPLOT buy this was all about getting the "biggest bang for the buck" except for the CEASAR (6 UNITS) and GRIPEN (Both types and they will get the AESA (?) RADAR when available later this year or early next.) where they needed more capabilities vs current equipment.

2. In my "Night Stalker" mode missed the highlighted line of separation between systems on the manufacturers site so, the 30mm AGL is all inclusive to the turret and not a separate option for the cannon.

3. Lessons Learned: The first site is one of my trusted go to sites normally HOWEVER since my AC system has been operating with a mind of it's own lately, I'm a little HOT (Excuses, Excuses...) and missed checking it which would've answered all the questions by itself including why I couldn't find pictures showing all the systems carried on the turret (Those missing 30mm AGL...) on the net, because they had them!! See below.

4. The CORPS might face the same issues with some of the replacements to the EFV. I still think the Brazilian VBTP-MR 8x8 Marine version (See Post #92 A15.) still might get a look before all is said and done it's fully amphibous and will have more then enough carry and operational capibilities for the CORPS. Any takers?
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...#efv-contracts

Refs for the BTR-3E1:
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_3u.htm
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/btr3u.php
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3874.html
Click on lower left links for turret and ATGW system info.

Pics:
Attachment 11172 Attachment 11173
Attachment 11174
Attachment 11175 UAE Marine version.

From my work calendar: "Constant and determined effort breaks down all resistence and sweeps away all obstacles" it does seem to fit at times.

This is for the AC Tech if he doesn't get here today after almost 2 weeks!!
Attachment 11176

Regards,
Pat

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Good News! We're on track with some items from the last PP 2010/2011.

1. PARS.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25059/

2. VBTP-MR and we have a real one to look at now.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4269.html

3. FRES-SV project ahead of schedule.
http://www.generaldynamics.uk.com/ne...e_firing_tests
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2201.html

4. USA GCV Program in jeopardy-again!
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25359/

5. The cost of canceled vehicle programs to the UK.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...19&c=LAN&s=EUR

6. My nemesis the ARMA 6x6, OTAKAR signs yet a second contract for it to ethier the same or a second unknown country. I WILL CRACK THE CODE-someday!?!
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25065/

7. And just because I like it, the LAV-AD! As "Gunny" Vandeere likes to say @ work "GET SUM!!", Charles is the man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM82Vuq3PdM

Regards,
Pat

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Had to do some Post research for the current job at hand and thought some might find the following useful. It is a free registration site.
1. The site:
http://www.the-blueprints.com/

2. An example of what you might find:
Attachment 11194 Attachment 11195
Attachment 11196

Hope this will be helpful to some.

Regards,
Pat

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1. Gotta love India working hard to build a strong economy, military, education and let's not forget in ~15yrs or less surpass China in population, I wonder what the implications of that could lead to? For now though it's the search for newer military hardware.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news123924.html

2. Well at least Denmark is keeping their tanks, for now anyway, but it's time to replace their M-113's.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57

3. The WARRIOR got some recent upgrades but I wasn't sure about putting it into the curent PP in progress. So here's a "Hail Mary Pass" to see if it's worth the effort.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/25686/

4. An old friend that was on my very first PP from 2yrs. ago. The last of them are now delivered.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/840/

5. Brazil to maybe upgrade their M-113 APC as KMW opens up for business there.
http://defense-update.com/wp/20110414_kmw_laad.html

Regards,
Pat

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Found more stuff.

1. Poland to field a fully amphibious APC because of the weather of the last few years, yes it said the weather, which rain is and it causes flooding. And it just makes good sense.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...68&c=FEA&s=SPE

2. LAV-3 in for the long haul in Canada.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...66&c=FEA&s=SPE

3. How Heavy for the USA in the future? Here are some answers and questions.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...71&c=FEA&s=SPE

4. Fix those power plants or the Germans will.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...65&c=FEA&s=SPE

5. More on the Danish issue.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...70&c=FEA&s=SPE

Regards,
Pat

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Here's the data from the first Patch Post for 2011/2012 for review. Also related news to include one from my first PP from 2yrs. ago and two off the 2010/2011 campaign. So...

APC Development and...
Was going to post about the German BOXER but as the fielded date falls within just less then six months as agreed to a couple of years ago with Don I won't. See Pg. 11 Post #104 for further details. Also still going to hold off on the ARMA 6x6 however I found a source that says Bahrain has bought them for their Army NG Here is the ref for ARMA and they are the first to report it on these types of sites that I can find. This will be transferred to this thread later as always for all PP segments...
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56
This will be brief:

R1. THAILAND/BTR-3E1 IFV/REMINDER/ADD per Posts #105 (Data in normal PP Unit Format.) - #107. /The additional 126 units were ordered but it always helps when the exporter (Ukraine) throws in free units to "sweeten the pot", I'd just settle for some free gas myself!?!
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news121016.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_..._vehicles.html
http://articles.janes.com/articles/J...m-Ukraine.html

A1. ADD/KUWAIT/DESERT CHAMLEON/JAN 2011/C3 P7/RMTS Bushmaster 30mm Rds UKN as Primary Weapon and 12.7mm Rds UKN versions./This is a very versatile turret that is field changeable to carry a range of weapons from a 5.62mm to a 40mm cannon. The USMC is looking at the vehicle but more the turret as a possible upgrade to the AAV-7A1 as the EFV is now dead. The turret is U.S. made.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/us_ar...mation_uk.html
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...0771295027994/
http://www.janes.com/products/janes/...1&rd=janes_com
http://www.defenseprocurementnews.co...nnel-carriers/
Posts #93 & #94.
Pics:

D1. POLAND/BWP-2000/UNIT 442/DELETE/The BWP-2000 program was developed in the early 90's and cancelled by the end of the 90's by Poland. Only two prototypes were built. This program would eventually lead Poland to develop the ANDERS IFV which however suffered the same fate as the BWP-2000 and it was cancelled in 2010. What killed ANDERS was the economy and the fact that Poland was already contracted therefore committed to the ROSOMAK 8x8 of which 800 were ordered. No further development is underway for the BWP-2000. The ANDERS IFV and Light Tank versions are being marketed for foreign sales at this time. ROSOMAK is fielded and still under delivery status until I believe 2013.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1015.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/polan...rmation_d.html
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=25654
Post #1 last unit before "NEW UNITS".
http://aus.krakow.pl/army/polish-com...ly-of-vehicles
See lead in Para on ANDERS Light Tank status and note last sentence in the first full Para below for BWP-2000. Note the word "demonstrator" is used to describe both pieces of equipment. Also see THREAD "Polish Anders AFV" currently on Pg. 1of thread Posts #5 - #12 to include the first few sentences of Post #13 with focus on the refs.

D2. USMC/EFV/UNIT 189/DELETE/Though I brought up the "UNKNOWN" issue as to what it meant, I just can't ignore the reality of the situation at this point given the refs already presented in the last past PP #2 I think, but also since and as presented below. We'll not only need the slot for the likely "improved" AAV-7A1 but also for its eventual replacement. Here's another example for some (present company excluded) about putting in future systems some have asked about, the work involved in putting the unit "together", at some point changing the status in this case twice if deleted, and making room for the replacements. I believe this is what happened with the above D1 unit as well.
http://www.defense.gov/releases/rele...eleaseid=14179 The Commandant.
http://www.defense.gov/speeches/spee...?speechid=1540 Para 2 & 3 starting w/Secretary Gates...
http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbu...ation_Book.pdf
Pg. 10.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63557
Para 7.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...hicles-022111/
http://www.marines.mil/community/Doc...-11/index.html
First two articles are both worth a look, though second is on topic.

News...
1. Malaysia to purchase ANOA from Indonesia.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news127525.html

2. Thailands BTR-3E1 on track. I believe one or both also updates the deal for Thailand to get the OPLOT tank as well from Ukrainians, the contracts were signed last week.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/augus...e_0708111.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56

3. Brazil's VBTP also on track.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-Brazil-06048/
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news129364.html
http://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmai...num=55&num2=55
Pic:
Attachment 11330

4. USA still to get GCV, for now, but seems safe. The JTAV Program is now probaly dead based on budget sources recently reviewed by self.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/866/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/27112/

5. The CORPS MPC Program on track.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2255.html

6. Same for Canada with the CCV Program.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2268.html
http://www.army-technology.com/news/news128597.html

7. BAE RG-41 has a good showing @ DSEi.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/27738/

8. Don if you're looking in, is this next worth the effort? BMOD up armoring their CVR(T) current fleet.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...Operations.htm

And finally for GySgt. "Getsum" Charles V. and the help he gave me on the LAV-AD for the 5.5 Patch Post. And Don for getting it fixed-thanks!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM82Vuq3PdM

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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LAV-A2 standard

Improvements include increased internal and externl armor upgrade package (additional survivability vs IED's, protection from 14.5 mm armor-piercing rounds, and include an anti-spall lining on the inside), automatic fire suppression equipment, and upgrading the vehicle's suspension to the Generation II standard to support the added weight of the new armor, replacing the turret hydraulics with an electric drive system, and replacing the thermal sight with the AN/PAS-13 Improved Thermal Sight System (provides the gunner and commander with thermal images, an eye-safe laser range finder, a fire-control solution and far-target location target grid information).

The LAV's command and control (LAV-C2) version will receive upgrades to improve its ability to operate on the move, including digital command, control, communications, computer and intelligence systems, voice command and control nets, and satellite communications.

http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_lav.php


Available 8/2010 or a bit earlier

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/arti...-8-28-2011.asp

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well under the economic circumstances most militarises are having to operate under (Except for countries like Brazil, India, China and Russia that are seeing huge increases in defence spending compared to GDP.) immense pressure to do more with less, more with older systems (Recapitalization/RESET.) and rethinking of ongoing and future products. The following cover the above.

1. UK WARRIOR Program moves on as the upgrade to the CT 40mm is funded. The picture shows the WARRIOR with the CT 40mm mounted and with the armor upgrades already done as well. It should be noted that the armor upgrade as shown is all ready being used by the WARRIOR's in theatre in Afghanistan.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...n_0411111.html

2. The USA is putting the pressure on the competitors in the GCV Program to get it right and within the program costs as it gets ready to look at existing improved programs from outside the U.S. as alternatives spending $47 million dollars to research it. Again the pictures show the new and upgraded versions of the two leading alternatives choices.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...m_0511111.html

I don't know if the WARRIOR needs an armor upgrade for the game currently or not I just haven't had the chance to check.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Already covered as is the 40mm version I just need to upgrade the turret Icon and the photo

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

For those of us trying to maintain equipment status, the job is about to get tougher, keeping track of the "fire sale" on all armor type units and where they're going. Here's the latest reported financial victim selling armor to balance their budget.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57

2. Austria doing the the same, the SAURERS will phased out in 2014.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57

3. Columbia is looking for an 8x8 APC, could they become the first export customer for Sinapores TERREX? We should have a better picture of this by the fall.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=58

Regards,
Pat

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Wulfir and Don I guess I can remove this from my list now based on the main page thread, Hilarious and environmentally...
BMP-1. As I see you entered Wulfirs items to your list here's what I have concerning BAE BvS10 Viking MKIIB for Sweden.
Recommend UK UNIT 703 VIKING TCV+ for modeling purposes with armor increase to a min. of 2 all around and IED increase as well but less then UK UNIT 705 WARTHOG TCV+, the WARTHOG still has a higher armor value. Also swim and vision should be equal to the WARTHOG as these were some of the improvements made for the VIKING MK II versions as well. I would recommend keeping the "MK II" in the name. For both UK UNIT 705 (Definitely.) and Swedish version unless Wulfir has other information to the contrary, further recommend the protection systems as on UK UNIT 703 be added as well.
For Sweden only the buy is for 40 units, delivery of first to be recieved on Oct 2012 order complete in Nov. 2013. Based on delivery and "normal" training times recommend fielding date of June 2013, was tempted to use Apr. however wanted two months "fluff" for building, delivery delays and any legal challenges the Swedes have demonstrated a penchant for after the PATRIA AMV issues I bought up in this and the Patch Post thread from last year or year before. I will be adding this for two other countries besides the UK later once weapons and some other issues are verified.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...iking-from-bae
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/31361/
It should be noted that the UK took final delivery of 24 MK II versions in April of last year, recieving the first units around April of 2009. They were replaced by the better protected and capable WARTHOGS, can't remember if the MK II's are still in service with the UK or sold off. Ref supplied for general info and reevaluation as needed. Also info in this and the PP threads.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/unite..._pictures.html

Hope this helps.

Almost 4am here need to hit the rack, my work week isn't over yet. Have a great weekend everyone!

Regards,
Pat

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I've put this in the Jets...& Green White papers threads as well. JTLV program to get proirity as HUMMVEE recaptialzation program is to be scrapped.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...preview-07285/

Regards,
Pat

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CTV/M-ATV/JLTV

The Army requirements for the JLTV to have the same level of under body protection as the Mine-Resistant, Ambush-Protected All-Terrain Vehicle (M-ATV) resulted in this variant being eliminated because it proved to be too heavy to be transportable by Army CH-47F and Marine Corps CH-53K helicopters.

There will be two JLTV variants
Combat Tactical Vehicle (CTV) that can transport four passengers and carry 3,500 pounds
Combat Support Vehicle (CSV) that can transport two passengers and carry 5,100 pounds

As to dates (and I get annoyed by future systems as much as you do Don), best guess is 2015-2020.

Defense Aerospace
Defense Daily
Global Security

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Yeah, call back in three years and I'll jump right on it......... :)

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Deal

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Alright here's the APC items I promised last week. Some update info as well on a couple of game entered equipment from Patch 5.5. Others are program updates for the USA, USMC, Canada and Columbia.

1) Iraqi second shipment of the BTR-4 from the Ukraine on the way. As was noted prior to and at submission there were a couple of issues with the BTR-4 that were rectified but, caused the delivery to slip on the first shipment until 4/2011. Game entered for 1/2011again within the six month "swag" so would recommend no action.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2422.html
UPDATE.

2) Iraq again, to update their M113A2s, this should bring them up to the latest USA game version. Work being done by BAE and the USA Anniston Depot. Work to be completed this month.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru...q_1002121.html
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...for-iraqi-army
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56
ADD.

3) Staying with the above theme, BAE to update Brazil's M113B to the M113A2 MKI standard work has begun, thinking enough will be configured for a 01/2013(?) fielding date. Work to be completed in 11/2013 on all units.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...l_2412111.html
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/30944/
ADD.

4) Russian Army did get the BPM-97 after all. I went ahead and submitted this in my first equipment submission, we had some reservations as we knew that the Russian Border units (And basis for the original submission.) had them along with the Internal Security Forces but, the info was "vague" about the Army. Will recheck original fielding date submitted, but based on this ref. thinking 01/2009.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/
ADD.

5) Columbia looking for an AFV. Italy makes an offer and the STYKER passes field tests, refs 1 & 2 respectively.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=58
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=58
TRACK.

6) Don't think this was addressed, but France gets the BvS10. France took delivery of 53 units at the time of this ref. these are the same as the UK & Dutch units, will recommend fielding of 01/2012. Sweden to also get this, fielding for theirs 06/2013.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...bvs10-vehicles
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...king-from-bae/
VERIFY/ADD IF NEEDED/Sweden ADD.

7) Indonesia orders BMP-3 from Russia. This refs indicates also that the Russian Army stopped ordering them in 2010. Also they've bought more ANOA APCs as well, also a "first entry". I believe the version shown in the 2nd ref is the one being brought.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru...3_0102121.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56
VERIFY/ADD IF NEEDED.

8) Kenya buys APC from Israel.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=55
VERIFY/ADD

9) NEXTAR offers the VBCI for Canadas CCV Program. Testing is on going currently at the Aberdeen Proving grounds in Maryland.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...y_1812114.html
FYI/TRACK CCV Program.

10) Russia to field first BOOMERANG APC's by 2013. Mass deliveries by 2015. Thinking 01/2014 or 06/2014(?).
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
TRACK/ADD.

11) ST Kinetics submits the TERREX 8x8 for the USMC MPC Program. This is among the first "smart" APC's made, you'll find more info as with some already mentioned in the earliest posts made to this thread. This is an updated version to the one first submitted FYI. Of course since it's for the CORPS it's fully amphibious.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...m_2503121.html
http://www.military-today.com/apc/terrex_av81.htm
FYI/TRACK MPC Program.

12) The CORPS is showing up the USA between their two programs, will the USA ever get their act together on the GVC? It remains to be seen, thank goodness the BRADLEY is as capable as it is. An update on the GCV Program. Reference 2 offers a couple of other options the USA is looking into.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...e-charm-07048/
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=59
FYI/TRACK GVC Program.

Well I believe that's all of them some again were put off, due to the great inputs by others for 6.0, truely a job well done.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Though worked on first, it'll be last, so ends the news blitz as all presented today and tomorrow (?) should close out the items I'll be submitting and tracking for the upcoming 2012/2013 Campaign after a short break for some game time that I haven't had since last fall. :( Any "Tail End Charlies will be posted up to 1 June. Have a Great Summer!!

1. USA assessing existing systems foe their GCV Program. Evaluations started just over a week ago. The new PUMA I see isn't being evaluated now it was being considered in an earlier maturation of the GCV Program. This is I believe the third restart for the program.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2441.html
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/35775/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/armie...m_2305122.html
FYI AND TRACK.

2. Norway buys more CV9030 MKII APCs.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product264.html
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/34701/
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...ifvs-from-bae/
FYI.

3. UK MOD committed to AFV SV Program.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2436.html
FYI AND PROGRAM TRACK.

4. More on Austria as this has already been posted earlier. The retirement of weapons systems to include armor to be completed by 2014, this date has remained unchanged from when first posted several months ago from different sources. This is more specific regarding other named systems then previous posts were.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...oured-vehicles
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/34696/
MODIFY UNIT END DATES AS ETHIER DEC 2013 OR JUN 2014.

5. More from Canada, this again sounds like the USA GCV Program but, it's their CCV Program. See we're really not so different after all!?! :p
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...oured-vehicles
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...ccv-programme/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...anistan-05190/
FYI AND TRACK PROGRAM.

6. Ukraine mounting new ZTM-1 30mm onto it's BTR-3U/BTR-3E. Don't know up front if I'll get to this or not. I'll try to find more info on this weapon.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/33954/
MODIFY UNITS.

7. Argentina wants to purchase Brazil's VBTP-MR (Now add GUARANI.).
The first ref is better detailed info on the unit. Also we have pictures to use now where we didn't when first submitted.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/brazi..._pictures.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...s_2205121.html
TRACK

8. Indonesia asks "Can I have another sir!" and orders more
BMP-3F's for their Marines.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...donesian-army/
FYI.

9. Columbia is shopping for new armored vehicles (And other equip.) because of their very busy neighbor to the south...Venezuela.
So let's start there first as this is a tale of two countries whose stories are linked together along with Brazil and a couple of others.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...s_2305121.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...m_2505121.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=58

So Columbia is reacting by...AND REMEMBER IF YOU HAVE TO BE #1, THIS ISN'T A BAD WAY TO START. Reportrd on this a couple of years ago but politics got in the way then concerning MERKAVA.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...a_2405122.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...e_2504121.html
TRACK.

10. Are you ready for a new BOXER? Germany is LANCE.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapo...1805125_2.html
TRACK.

11. Submitted for 5.5 or 6.0 the RTA is more then happy with their Ukrainian purchase. This is representative of reports made at the time from my other sources.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...cha-singa-2012
FYI.

I believe this is it for the APC's. Meant to have had this posted many hours, but a little nasty storm named BERYL radically altered my plans for today. To those in Jacksonville FL. I've seen on here I hope you and yours made it through alright. It'll be our turn overnight with 45-65mph with gusts to +70 winds and inches of much needed rain. Sorry Don it's been decades for an event like this here.

Happy Memorial Day! Don't forget about the one's who served that are no longer with us.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Thanks to my little affliction with the "PI" and the summer cold that came with it at the end, a little more in this area as the news never stops. For Don it's good to see your sense of humor is intact, though if it had occurred in the woods the process might've been more fun!?! ;)

1. I found this and the next from an unexpected source, however it shows the importance of diversification in the highly competitive world of defence industry news. Anyway a very good overview of the most current IFV Programs.
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....459519.xml&p=1
FYI.

2. A pretty good article and update on Germanys PUMA IFV, And for Don, there might be info here that might be useful if any modifacation is needed for German UNITS 99 & 100.
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....p28-458567.xml
TRACK/FYI.

3. Iraq buys 500 to be refurbished Army MTLB APCs from Bulgaria. I believe these conform the ones CURRENTLY in the Iraqi OOB.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2473.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...q_1606124.html
FYI.

4. Norway will RESET all current CV-90s and increase current numbers with new unita as well. This is Norways largest Army Project since the end of the Cold War, and the reporting below shows that.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...f9ced399b5ecfa
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...oured-vehicles
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...y_2206123.html
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...-vehicles-bae/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/36764/
TRACK/ADD.

5. USA GCV Program lacking imagination?
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/36069/
FYI.

6. Swedish CV-9040 to be upgraded with EVO Protection package.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/35969/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...d_0706121.html
http://www.ibd-deisenroth-engineerin...evolution.html
MODIFY/ADD.

7. USA/USMC updating LAV-AT vehicles with TOW ITAS, TI/GSR and turret system. The issue raised here is how current are the U.S. infantry TOW Systems as ITAS has been fielded since 2007? I sense another "rabbit hole" issue again!?! This ref provides further related links at the bottom.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...373/#more-7373
MODIFY/ADD/TRACK/INVESTIGATE ITAS Infantry use.

8. Raytheon displays full LRSS prototype as a further development of the LAV-III to the Canadian Army.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...-canadian-army
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...y_0206121.html
TRACK/MODIFY.

9. SCOUT SV (FRES) production has been pushed back to 2018 and won't be fielded until 2020, maybe. There's a reason why the CVT(R) was upgraded (And in the game after Don recovered my fumble on missing it's submission though posted. THANKS AGAIN!). First ref is for background.
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...alist-vehicle/
http://www.army-technology.com/news/...me-say-sources
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
TRACK DATES.

10. JAVELIN sucessfully test fired from an AV.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...y_1606123.html
FYI/TRACK.

11. The USA says "we have enough" but Congrss has other thoughts on that.
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE
FYI.

12. I believe in the 3-4years I've caused Don to lose his hair and more since submitting and modifying equipment issues, the BRADLEY has been there I think at least twice(?) well what's three "between friends". BUSK III is here, for game purposes the turrent enhanced survivbilty portion is at play-maybe. Don your call here.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/36742/
INVESTIGATE TURRET ISSUE/MODIFY.

I think my work is now finished here in the APC area. Don I'll post on the TOW issue elsewhere, I came across the date on ITAS from info I already had on hand.

Regards,
Pat

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I had little hair left before you came along, all you've done is made what's left simpler to look after....... :)

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

Well it's been over 1/2yr. since I posted anything here but that's when things really went to :censor: as noted elsewhere so all I had was a reminder (R1.) note for the APC/IFV world in Patch Thread Post #2 for the 2012/2013 campaign. I promise there will be more next year in this area, Jets/Planes, SPA/SPAA and MRAPS to a lesser degree mostly in the Middle East, Africa and Near Asia. So...

APC Development…

R1. ADD/RUSSIA/JAN 2010/BTR-82/C3 P7 Both/TI/GSR 50 (3Km) Both/Weapons Turreted 14.5mm w/500Rds and coupled coaxial 7.62mm w/2K Rds/6 Smoke Dispensers and EW Both/BTR-82A/Weapons 2A72 30mm cannon w/500Rds and coupled coaxial 7.62mm w/2K Rds//These are Russia's most advanced APCs. It will replace the
BTR-70/80 series APCs. It is supposed to be fully amphibious. The 30mm ammo of the BTR-82A is supposedly a high density ramjet type projectile to allow it to inflict greater damage on targets. I keep coming up with 500 Rds for the 30mm on the NET. Sounds almost like the UK/French case mounted 40mm round of the FRES. Better armor protection then any BTR-80 variant.
Protection to the level of the BTR-90M for armor?
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...res_video.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi..._pictures.html
http://www.deagel.com/Wheeled-Armore...000348008.aspx
Pic:

Regards,
Pat

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Please cue the Monty Python intro...And now for something a little different. A little Spring cleaning is in order as the 2013/2014 Campaign is to start soon.

1) First up the CORPS in it's search to replace the EFV Program. Any more it seems the programs are running together. So by way of updating and cleaning up, here's where the CORPS is in the testing and evaluation process. The HAVOC 8x8 based on the coverage it's getting seems to be the front runner for now.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/us_ar...s_picture.html
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2504.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/augus...o_1708121.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...n_0504133.html
Pic:
Attachment 12502
TRACK.

2) UPDATE: As submitted in the game, after all the legal issues as reported prior to and when submitted SWEDEN had recieved the first of it's PATRIA AMV's a slight date adjustment might be needed but will verify from the Patch Post and the game later.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_2625.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...s_0503133.html
VERIFY DATES.

3) UPDATE: Well the following is another example of everyone reports the "x equipment is being delivered..." Until unreported issues as R&D problems, Customer modifications (Think THAI OPLOT here as just addressed in a second Patch.), Contract issues, Economics, Order Cancellations etc. etc. make the "equipment submission business" such a PITA. I think Don and some others now understand why I work the way I do in trying to follow up on equipment I've "signed" my name to just because of the following. MAYLASIA UNITS 30-32 will need to be renamed and dates moved out to around 6/2015. However there is an upside. A. We know now it's the better protected AV-8 (PARS 8x8 stronger brother.) and have more specific data on it's capabilities and types ordered. B. It was customer modified. C. It will have an ATGW now mounted which was just conjecture when submitted in 2010(?). D. More on the FCS is now known as well. E. BETTER PICTURES!!! Alright that was reaching a bit. Anyway here's the data sheet...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/malay...res_video.html
MODIFY DATES AND WEAPONS/ADD NEW UNITS AS NOW IDENTIFIED.

4. UPDATE: As now in the USA OOB with a couple of issues already noted by Imp (John) and acknowledged by Don, I was going to submit this for the coming Campaign based on some of the info used to get the M1A2 SEP V2 into the game along with posts from the MBT Thread concerning the increased TI/GSR of some tanks in the game. Anyway I was looking to combine the BUSK III package and TI/GSR 50 issue into one BRADLEY submission. PLEASE PLEASE understand that beyond reading Johns thread on the topic I do not know nor have I checked at this time whether the two "new" BRADLEY's in the game have the BUSK Protection package or not.
So here's what I was going to submit for that unit.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/
http://www.army.mil/article/82060/Br..._under_budget/
http://www.baesystems.com/article/BA...3D1aljhv29un_4
Pic:
Attachment 12501
FYI for modifications(?)

5. RUSSIA and that darn BOOMERANG APC again. Prototype for 2013, this is older from last summer. No news of it to this point.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_...3_0707122.html
TRACK.

6. POLAND the ANDERS front has been quite for sometime now, however, last August they ordered 200 more 8x8 ROSMAKS.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
FYI.

7. RUSSIA likes wheels better then tracks a growing tread in the APC world.
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57
http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20120716/174633902.html
FYI.

8. USMC and it's MPC Program has selected SINGAPOREs TERREX 8x8 for testing as well, among others. I reported on TERREX in one of my first posts in this thread (Then as a 6x6.) It was developed by TIMOTHY...of Ireland and is one of the most advanced APC out there you probaly never heard about. Anyway...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/novem...m_0711121.html
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=59
TRACK.

9. UPDATE: I believe we were right on target for the BTR-82A. Don thanks for getting it in early.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...a_2104131.html
FOLLOW UP.

10. UPDATE: That darn EFV still in the news, but again for all the wrong reasons for this dead program. The issue is when the manufacturing equipment will be moved to Ga. to support the FANG Program (Just go with the flow here, the USMC has more "APC" programs going then most countries do!?!)
more jobs for us. Good background on how a fully supported project got out of control. F-35 fans pay attention here.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...v-aav-slep-mpc
FYI.

Alright been a busy week and not helping my cause by staying up any later, so for some have a good night and others have a great day or evening!

Regards,
Pat

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A couple of "tail end charlies" that are an extension of the previous post. For me thank god, are FYI issues. The BRADLEY BUSK III one for Don will be of some use as we have a "full on" picture to use for ICON purposes. Sorry I missed these but it's the "vampire hours" I keep after work normally.

1. BRADLEY BUSK III...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_...t_1007126.html
If you missed it in the first refs provided earlier, you'll have noticed the first units equipped with them were in S. Korea. Don unless you see something I missed, it appears USA UNITS 305 & 899 will just need to be renamed, protection upgraded and require a new icon for one or both units and I hear you that's enough work!?!
ASSIGN REMINDER # in PP.

2. More on the USMC "Everything Future APC Amphib Program" or EFAAP. This is team BAE/IVECO with the SUPERRAV 8x8.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...d_1005131.html
If you haven't noticed, click on the yellow highlighted for links to the data sheets for the equipment and other info.
Gotta go, GOT is coming on! Day off priorities don't you know!?!

Regards,
Pat

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Thanks for the information! It's nice to find a clearinghouse for the news from the defense industry.

I'd like to bring up some issues with the Russian APCs and IFVs in their OBAT, which is obat11. Patch 7.0 did a nice job of trimming out some of the cancelled BTR-90 variants; I'd like to take it a few steps further. First, let's look at the many MT-LB mods. Specifically, OBAT11 numbers 213 (MT-LBM-6M1A3), 332 (MT-LBM-6M1B2), 800 (MT-LBM-6MA), 801 (MT-LBM-6MB), and for that matter 872 (MT-LBM). To the best of my knowledge, these vehicles showed up once at an arms expo, and were promptly never heard from again. I find no reports of any of the MT-LB modifications actually coming into service.

Likewise, there are a number of programs that never seem to have taken off: they are units number 305 (BTR-70M), 787 (BMP-2 Berezhok), 788 (BMP-2M), 850 (BMP-2M (-)), and the heavy APCs 343-345 (all the BTR-Ts). While I believe the BMP-T is on order by the Russian army, I find no indication that the BTR-T is actually being produced. The rest, the BMP and BTR modification programs, appear to exist only in advertisements; the Russians don't look like they've bought off on them.

Pending confirmation, so far as it's possible with Russian military equipment, I think it's fair to delete all of these from the OBAT for Russia and for the RED force (wherever they overlap).

Re: APC Development and related topics.
 

........ on the list to investigate


Don

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??? Pat... why would unit 305 be involved with this at all ?


Don

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Don,
Simply misinterpreted Johns post in the USA OOB Thread. I thought he mentioned both units were improved with TI/GSR 50 as a "side bar" to his core issue. So in the near term, only USA UNIT 899 will need to be changed. However remember I believe initially 250-285 units were converted with the BUSK III pkg. All others are to follow but don't remember when that deadline was, except it is in the "near term". I already have info that the BRADLEY A3 will be converted (Like earlier mods.) to carry more troops. This is due to budget issues and delays in the GCV Program. So there's another slot down the road and toilet. As I've mentioned already in various posts basically is..."The new will be the old/current types modified" i.e. T-90 something anybody!?! Sorry for delay.

Added edit... These two refs combined provide an overview of the BUSK III pkg. First ref just scroll down to BUSK. Next ref was the one posted earlier for the picture and mentions BUSK III fixes not mentioned in Ref 1. None mentioned the add on armor in the picture of Ref. 2, and nor have I seen that add on armor configuration in earlier models, similiar yes, but this is something different I believe at least in coverage of the hull if nothing else. Don't you hate it when I get tired? I hear you, one more to go, so again good night.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/
http://www.armyrecognition.com/july_...t_1007126.html

Good Night and have a great weekend everyone!

Regards,
Pat

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Unit 898 and 899......

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While getting the pictures for the ADF M1A1 AIM SA, I noticed along with the exercise they were in were a bunch of pictures of the M113AS4 the current M113 variant being used by the ADF. Curious about the AUSCAM(O) for them and remembering that I thought I had submitted it in the "old" format of "Hey here's a piece of equipment not in the game, it'd normally have it's own post and Don would get it in the game (See this Thread Pg. 5 Post #45 dated 5/21/2010 if you want.) that being said it got by us and it wasn't until later that year I started to use the current format and realized I missed it again :doh: after I checked the AUS OOB last night. So Ref. 1 shows an article where the last M113A1 chassis variants were used in their final live fire exercise in JUN 2010. I have not been able to identify the type pictured in the article though it says they were the last unit to operate them in the exercise.
http://digital.realviewtechnologies....ge=page0000030

As for M113AS4 it was developed under the Land 106 Program that started in 1992 and would be completed with the final delivery of the M113AS4 by DEC 2012. The first 4 units would be delivered on NOV 15, 2007 and the ADF (7th Batt.) would get 16 by the end of that year being fully operational.
So I'm thinking JAN. 2008 start date for them.
Ref. 2 covers this in detail as the DID site normally would. Ref. 3 was the original one I used from the first para. Highlights of the M113AS4 are...
Firepower: A new Australian designed and built electrical turret, with improvements designed to lessen the battering its occupant takes. It will host a new .50 caliber weapon that sports a quick change barrel and day/night sights.

Protection: Add-on external armor kits to protect against weapons up to 14.5mm; internal spall liners; hull reinforcement to improve mine protection; fuel tanks moved from inside to outside. The change in configuration also allowed the introduction of stealth characteristics into the design by decreasing the overall turret profile, and reducing the vehicle’s radar cross-section and infra-red signature.
It should be noted that a 14.5mm would make Swiss Cheese of normal M113 or at the very least hurt badly. -FBT

Internal: Compartment improvements like heat mitigation measures and better stowage of equipment externally where it isn't so much in the way. New electrical and fuel systems; a land navigation system that combines GPS and INS.
All above from DID.

Types looking to add in AUSCAM are...
Armoured Personnel Carrier (M113-AS4 APC). Most common variant.
Armoured Command Vehicle (M113-AS4 ACV) (?)
Armoured Logistic Vehicle (M113-AS4 ALV) Ordnance Carrier.
Armoured Mortar (M125-AS3 AM)
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...pgrades-05133/
http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm

Well my times up, reminder is done and will end with pics:
Attachment 12547 Attachment 12548
Attachment 12549 Attachment 12550
Attachment 12551

Regards,
Pat

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Pat..... note that the reports clearly say ( i have added the emphasis.....)

From the way it's worded I would conclude it DOES NOT protect against 14.5mm rounds since it only protects " up to " 14.5mm

Don

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I think this is where I say OOPS! So this should have the protection of a USA M113A3 then as I believe it had spall liners as well. The only added benefit I see then is the values you give towards survivability in mine protection and the fact the fuel storage is now external. Also these are "stretch" M113 versions, if you haven't noticed before this, note the extra road wheel set. Got more ADF pictures to consider for the type as follows...
Attachment 12552 Attachment 12553
Attachment 12554 Attachment 12555
Attachment 12556

In the upper left picture note the name the crew gave it-that's pride and balls (baseball, football etc. for clarification.) considering the ADF expects this type to be in the fight.

Thanks again Don, I guess the "up to and to include" would've been better from my perspective!?!

Regards,
Pat

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I am still digging into this and some details are clear and others .....not so clear but I DO find references to the BTR-70M.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...res_video.html

indicates that vehicle exists

The BTR-T though does seem to be a concept no one has wanted. The best I could find was........" state-run production association developed and manufactured a prototype of the BTR-T"

I am happy to remove things especially in that OOB as there aren't a lot of free spaces left for legitimate additions but I'm hesitant to rip things out without digging further..especially things like the BTR-70M


Don

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The BTR-T is shown below...
http://www.military-today.com/apc/btr_t.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1021.html
Now that there's some info for others to look at...The concept was developed in ~1997 based on the need that arose from the Checeyan campaign where Russias weaknesses were exposed in the APC/IFV vehicles used at the time. Prototypes were built, but as ref 1 above shows the "Entered Service" block is blank for a reason from this primarly Russian source. Isreal also ran a similiar development program at about the same time and I believe so did the Ukraine. Companies are still ofering this conversion as it is estimated there are as many as a 100,000 T-55
tanks world wide which of course includes foriegn manufactured ones as well. Russia would look into the concept with the T-72 and T-90 hulls as well but these were never fielded ethier. However as I've posted already, you will see or there are plans to have an IFV based on the ARMATA tank. These will be designed and built from the ground up though as opposed to being a modification.

The BTR-70M RUNNING OUT OF TIME but...
Russia has them basically added 4 smoke dischagers per side, has a single engine from the BTR-80 vice two GAZ ones as you've noted. Ref is proof of life for the type. Aberbyzan (Sorry for spelling.) ordered modified ones (130) using South African turret/FCS. If you need more I'll give it to you later-I need some sleep.
http://en.ria.ru/video/20110926/167136762.html

Regards,
Pat

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BTR-70M...
There are so many mods out there it'll make your head spin!! They gotem. Ref 1 added because he's very through especially dealing with "hard to find" items. I've crossed referenced different equipment issues many times against his info with no problems over the years.
http://www.pmulcahy.com/wheeled_apcs...eeled_apcs.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/produc...18&printmode=1
http://www.minotor-service.com/en/bt...0m-a1-apc.html
http://international-defence-review....ri-armour.html
http://www.afv-news.com/2012/10/btr-70-apc/

Regards,
Pat

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Thanks Pat. Be aware you have to be very careful with Pmulcahy info. Some of it is solid but some of it is aimed at "Twilight 2000 " " a role-playing game set in the aftermath of World War III "

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Might as well cover and finish this. Here's what I have on the MT-LB. The refs I have pretty much show the Russians operated with the following versions noted below. What I strongly suspect is one of the following to be true...
1) Projects unfulfilled have crept into the OOB-again. OR...

2) We have if you will some OOB to OOB "cross contamination". The Czechs and Bulgarians were prolific with their MT-LB modifications for instance.

So again for the Russians I come up pretty much with the following combat types...
1. MT-LB - BASE MODEL.
2. MT-LBU - LONGER BODY WITH BIGGER ENGINE.
3. MT-LBV - WIDER TRACKS FOR WINTER AND SOFT TERRIAN OPS I.E. SWAMPS ETC.
4. 2S1 GOOSDIKA - 122mm SPA
5. AZM - CEV
6. UR-TI - MCV

That's about it. Wasn't "shouting above, if you ever saw me typing you'd understand. Refs are below all good some used as quick checks only and one is a good Soviet/Russian one I've used in the past and might be of some use for any lingering BMP issues etc. So for perspective as I've been asked by some in the past the refs will descend from first look medium+ confidence to higher confidence+ and finally lower confidence/quick check sources since I have the time here to do that.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/mtlb.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artill...1_gvosdika.htm
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/inf/MT-LB.html
REFS AT BOTTOM.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...n0534/lsn2.htm
NEAR BOTTOM.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ssia/mt-lb.htm
http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/Arms...cles.htm#mt-lb
SCROLL TO TOP FOR OTHERS.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/mt-lb.htm

With the arms control site be sure to carefully read it. The description will start and a few words in they'll note what country it's from if not Russian.

NOTE: Many "top tier" refs will tend not to offer info on older types of equipment for many reasons I can list but won't. When you find them keep or better yet post them as the topic requires.

Regards,
Pat

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To "clear the deck" of the BMP refs I had. NOTE the first ref on the BMP-T fielded in 2005. This French site has been very good to me over the long haul.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmpt_bmp-t_tank_support_infantry_fighting_combat_armoured_v ehicle_technical_data_sheet_information_u.html[/url]
http://www.janes.com/article/23350/r...bmp-3-variants
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...res_video.html
http://kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp2u/
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1698.html

I think I'll enjoy the rest of my day off, have a good night.

Regards,
Pat

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Thanks Pat. Got your other PM's and email BTW. Thanks for helping to look into this. I will cull the project MT-LB's

Don

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Alright first call me superstitious but Don you have a new "Thanked" number I didn't like the 665+1 thing :fire: :mean:!

And before someone says something...one more Top Tier one for the BMP-T.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmpt-vehicle/

And finally from the same ref on the BMP-3 and more updated source. In the Russian OOB the two issues are do you want to add and I only recommend ONE OF EACH if so, the improved BMP-3M with the SAGEM FCS/TI and BMP-3F (3F). Both are addressed in the below ref. Basically the SAGEM (French system.) makes this a very recent upgrade within the last 2-4 years. Also the 3F entered service in 2011 and has ethier been bought by Malay or Indo ~ a year ago as well. Would think since they are new builds (3F) they to would have the SAGEM system as well plus it was designed as a faster longer endurance (At least 7 hrs.) amphib.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/

I'M DONE! PROMISE...MAYBE!?!

Back to work tomorrow so good night.

Regards,
Pat

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The first time I tried that last link I got a 404 error. Every time after that the screen stayed blank

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Don,
Tried the same no luck. Went to the main site via favorites different page (Redirecting me to other options.) came up with same result-no info. Randomly chacked other "projects" and they came up. Normally this means they might be updating info for in this case the BMP-3. This is normal and that's how I normally "idiot check" the site to be sure. Give it a day or two.

Regards,
Pat

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From the post, just checked the BMP-3 link twice 20m apart. Seems to be back up.
Bonus ref.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...ations_uk.html

Regards,
Pat

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OK, thanks. We don't have the BMMP. I'll look into that ( typically, more complications other sites call that the BMP-3F )

Ah, figured it out..... the BMMP has the BMP-2 turret and the 3F uses the standard BMP-3 turret but it's not clear if this actually made it to troops. The phrasing " has been developed" seems to suggest not as yet

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Don,
BMP-3F...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...fications.html
Note: Country Users and Crew and Carry numbers at bottom.
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp_3.htm
Note: Varients Section.
http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2010/08/bmp-3.html
Note: Varients Section.


Pic:
Attachment 12704

They (Refs) also clear my memory from an earlier post, it was Indonesia and not Maylasia that got the BMP-3F.
Will try get dates before edit time expires here if not by tomorrow. Have to work.

Regards,
Pat

Indonesia...Would use 1/11. delivered end of 11/10.
http://www.jakartaupdates.com/685-17...bmp-3-variants
This JANES's Ref contradicts the other sources on Russian use. But verifies the type is new and Indonesia apparently is the only user. They did recieve the further units noted here as well. If it's JANE's I'd almost would tend to hold off on Russian use though it's 1 against 4 or 5.

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It's Indonesia and I will be changing the Icon , the photo ( I'll use the one you provided ) and the armour stats for that

I will hold off putting the 3F in the Russian OOB