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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, that was a good episode. The Enterprise ended up having to use the cloak itself because the Romulans had closed the shaft that they used to get inside the asteroid.
The accident was that the crew had been killed for some reason and the cloak was still in effect, the ship just kept drifting until it was half way through a giant asteroid and then the cloak failed, trapping the ship inside.

The Federation never had a treaty with the Romulans regarding cloaking technology, correct? Wasn't it some other small race on a single planet that didn't want the Federation to use this technology for some reason so they made a treaty over it? I seem to recall an episode that mentioned it breifly, perhaps it was this very episode. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

[ February 19, 2004, 16:56: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, that was a good episode. The Enterprise ended up having to use the cloak itself because the Romulans had closed the shaft that they used to get inside the asteroid.
The accident was that the crew had been killed for some reason and the cloak was still in effect, the ship just kept drifting until it was half way through a giant asteroid and then the cloak failed, trapping the ship inside.

The Federation never had a treaty with the Romulans regarding cloaking technology, correct? Wasn't it some other small race on a single planet that didn't want the Federation to use this technology for some reason so they made a treaty over it? I seem to recall an episode that mentioned it breifly, perhaps it was this very episode. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">IIRC, the Federation did have some sort of treaty with the Romulans regarding cloaking devices. I don't remember if they went into detail about what would happen, but apparently the Romulans wanted to make sure they were the only ones that did have cloaking devices. It isn't canon, but apparently the cloaking device Kirk stole either couldn't be modified or was destroyed somehow. I read that in one of the novels years ago, so I'm hazy on the details.

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O.K. I thought I'd just jot down some ideas.

Strategic Speed Winner: Star Wars ships
Tactical Speed Winner : Star Trek ships
Weaponry vs. Planets,slow ships: Death Star
Weaponry vs. faster ships: Star Trek

note: This means Star Wars weapons are light speed weapons and Star Trek phaser,torps are Faster Than Light Weapons.

Close In Combat Winner: Star Wars Fighters
Shielding Winner: (sorry) Star Trek.
(not too impressed when an A wing fighter can Kamikaze a Super Dreadnought and then the Super Dreadnought can ram the Death Star.)
Jungle/Forest Warfare: Ewoks

Well if I was in command of the Enterprise, I'd standoff at long range plotting warp speed maneuvors around the death star. Hit and run raids with phasers. If fighter swarms were heading my way, I'd launch full spread of photon torps. By then my attention would be lacking and I'd retire to my quarters where Princess Leia, a green Orion Slave Girl, and a new female Borg 1of69 will be waiting for me with bottles of Romulan Ale and Tranya.

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Original series Star Trek and Star Fleet Battles have battles at high warp speed, many times greater than the speed of light. If in the same universe with people that can only fight sub-light, the sub-light folks would have no chance of even knowing what was going on. Nevertheless, most actions are settled by fist-fight involving the commanding officers. Captain Kirk is just about the best brawler... main qualification for command in the butch era of Star Fleet.

(In the films and then TNG, along with losing most of the butch aspect, Star Trek also seems to have forgotten how to fight effectively at warp speed. Though, more often, each writer just seems to be making stuff up with little attempt to be consistent.)

Of course, this is just a more extreme example of the silliness of this age-old discussion. Since most sci-fi actually isn't internally constent, let alone compatible with science, there is little way to put them in a meaningful face-off with each other.

PvK

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Beams? Missiles? Bombs? BAH!!!

How about clouds of nano dissasemblers?
Or metal eating organisms worse than rust?
Or super strong strings one atom wide that slice through anything?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">1) where would they get there power from? seems to me you'd just have to run a bit until there out.
2) again, space. little to provide power.
3) well, maybe if they where fired. but most sci-fi ships have technobabble sheilds which sweep little stuff away and would probably sweep the strings.

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How would a ST ship get in the SW universe? I couldn't imagine this until after TNG came one and they introduced us to the Traveller. What if Picard's Enterprise, when the traveller sent it to who knows where, had wound up in the SW universe? Now, it would be in the SW future, since we're not sure how long ago "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" is. But at least now it's feasible that it could happen. Especially if Wesly Crusher has a brain fart and sends another ship through such a trip. What if the Enterprise showed up when the Yuzon Vong was around? How would the Enterprise stand up against them?

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Green Orion Slave Girl(Yvonne Craig)
vs.
Princess Leia Slave Girl.

Doesn't matter who'd win!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How about that doomsday device from the original star trek series that kirk had to fight with commodore decker? you think that the death star can take it out? or will it get eaten by the "giant ice cream cone"?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hmmm how about

Cassiopia (Blond girl from orginal Battlestar Galactica)
vs.
Erin Moran (Joanie from Happy Days) who was in the movie Galaxy of Terror? LOL

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Well I'd take the Death Star over the Ice Cream Cone. After all 1 ship down it's mouth did it in for good. Maybe we could distract it with a nice juicy Alderaan.

I was also thinking since Luke is the one that pulled the trigger, what is his body count. Does this make him the second largest murderer in the galaxy after The Grand Admiral blowing Alderaan out of space? I got a cutaway of the Death Star but no actual census of crew. Way to go Luke! How many Imperial citizens did you kill? How many Imperial troopers died that might have been sympathetic to the rebellion? Guess we'll have to ask the Rebel Flyboy with the hots for his sister.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">the thing that ate starships? well, the hull was neutronium, so it would have to fire at the inside of the gun, where they blew up the starship. if the gun managed to reach the death star, it's neutronium hull would mean it would eat a hole right through the middle, which would probably cause the death star to explode, which might destroy the GICC.

so, we've got one win for each and one draw. i think the balace is in favor of the death star, though.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">if you wish to discuss that, please post it in another thread. this is a non-serious thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I don't know about all this other stuff, but I do know that my own Star Ships would kick the crap out of any other star ship out there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Lando's got him beat. He not only nuked a Death Star, but ruined a nearby planet with the fallout...

The Endor Holocaust

Guess that makes up for his not getting to play Two-Face, eh? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hmmm how about

Cassiopia (Blond girl from orginal Battlestar Galactica)
vs.
Erin Moran (Joanie from Happy Days) who was in the movie Galaxy of Terror? LOL </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's been done...

Ivanova vs. 7 of 9 vs. Leia

Short Version - Ivanova won. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Or, for a more even match-up...

Officer John McClane ("Die-Hard") vs. the Death Star

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I forget which novel it was, but it was pre-Yuzon Vong, and Luke's companion at the time asked him if he knew how many people were on the Death Star at the time of its destruction. I don't recall the exact number, but Luke said it was over 1 million.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">see? see? that's exactly the same logic i used to say enterprise could take out the death star. track record!

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I am just waiting for the Alien vs Preditor movie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

NOTE: I sincerely hope that James Cameron does the movie and not the people who made Alien 3 and 4. oh those were such bad bad movies it was ciminal to even think of making them.

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In a battle between Babylon 5 ships and Star Trek ships, the Babylon 5 ships would win because they have W.C. and Star Trek ships don�t. I base my theory on the fact that in all the Star Trek episodes I have see, they never use, refer or show a W.C. not even on the official blueprints. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif


"Please Captain, not in front of the Klingons." -- Spock, to Kirk, refusing a hug (Star Trek V)

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W.C.?

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W.C.- water closet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Watch Alien 4 and take a shot everytime a Jesus reference pops up.

I sense much allusion in this one.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This was the pre-PC term used back in the 50's and 60's for the bathroom. For some reason, the censors thought the word bathroom or restroom was too vulgar to use back then. I'd like to take those censors and bring them to today, and watch all of them have a heart attack at what's going on tv now.